Adventures in Ambervale (Inactive)

Game Master Nicos

Spell stuff

Yeah the casting rules seem kind of weird/confusing. I personally went with the "Experimental new rules" thing, since that's what I saw someone using in the existing game.

I'm using the new rules because the other rules are ooc.

It lets you have more between the levels if you aren't a full caster.

Yeah, those numbers where using the new experimental rules - they aren't exactly clear.

Edit: The characters in the other game pays the 'upkeep' at every level, not every time they gain a new spell level. I think that solves that issue.

Although @Yoricksrequiem, I looked at your favored soul thingy, and from what the DM said, I don't think you can use the cleric spell list without using cleric spell progression. I asked, he said this;

Burnscar wrote:

DM. wrote:

Burnscar wrote:

Could you use a spell-list from a 9th caster on a 4thcaster?

I'm considering making a 4th caster alchemist, maybe.

Not sure If I'm understanding the question correctly, but you can buy the first 4th level of, let's say, wizard spellcasting and then stop paying more build points. That way your spellcasting progression will stop but you will have the points to buy something else.

I was thinking more like 'okay, I bought 4th level progression, but then instead of picking the Paladin, Bloodrager or Magus spell list, I'd pick the first four levels of the alchemist extract list, paying 4 at first level, and then 1 every level after that, as appropriate for a 4th caster'. Given the moderate confusion, and the fact that for 9th level casters, which spell list you choose determines spell per day progression, I'd lean towards the answer being 'no' myself, but you never know.

You can buy first level extracts at level 1, so at 3rd level you will have 3 extracts per day. Then at character level 4 (the same as the alchemist base class) you have to you pay to keep progressing and to gain 2nd level extracts. That up to 6th level extract at character level 16(asumming you saved enough point to buy the spellcasting) or you can decide to stop at 4th level extract at character level 10. If you don't pay for the 5th level extract then your progression ends at character level 12 with 3 4th extract per day.

Galahad0430 wrote:

Here is Devon, this is with the assumption of the standard 2 traits and average hp.

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CMB +54?

LOL!! Typo. +4

Galahad0430 wrote:

Ok, here we go :)

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DO note that you can't take class features before the normal level that you would take it in the corresponding class. Swashbuckler weapon training have to wait to character level 5.

Yep, just noticed where I misread about that, I will redo the character shortly.

Joshua9093 wrote:

Galahad0430 wrote:

Here is Devon, this is with the assumption of the standard 2 traits and average hp.

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CMB +54?

LOL!! Typo. +4

Hehehe, I attempt to Bill rush the dragon....*rolls 2* well, that's 56, do I beat the dragon's cmd?...

Yeah, those numbers where using the new experimental rules - they aren't exactly clear.

Edit: The characters in the other game pays the 'upkeep' at every level, not every time they gain a new spell level. I think that solves that issue.

Ah, my bad. I forgot about those since the only spellcaster I've build with the system used the rules that are on [ooc].

You guys can choose which of the both spellcasting rules to use.

Does all spell lists cost the same? Shamans, Druids and oracles clearly get a lot more in addition to their spell casting than for example wizards or sorcerers.

I believe I fixed all the problems. Moved the abilities to the right levels for starting and banked the points for later.

Burnscar wrote:

Spell stuff

Yeah the casting rules seem kind of weird/confusing. I personally went with the "Experimental new rules" thing, since that's what I saw someone using in the existing game.

Can you give a list of the build progression level by level (at least up to level 3) like the others have been doing?. it would make things easier for me.

Although @Yoricksrequiem, I looked at your favored soul thingy, and from what the DM said, I don't think you can use the cleric spell list without using cleric spell progression. I asked, he said this;

Indeed.

Though if you are only interested in the, let's say, first 3 level of cleric spellcasting you can stop paying build point after that and the spellcasting progression will stop.

Or (using the second of the sets of spellcasting rules), you can pay to keep progression at spellcasting at every other level instead of every level. That way you would save point but the spellcasting and the caster level would be delayed.

Sorry for the confusions, I remember it being easier, but I guess that is because somebody was explaining it to me step by step.

Does all spell lists cost the same? Shamans, Druids and oracles clearly get a lot more in addition to their spell casting than for example wizards or sorcerers.

yes, Divine spellcasting cost the same as Arcane.

True that arcane tend to be more powerful but

(a) the rules are already complicated, no need to complicated them more.

and

(b) You can use divine spellcasting in full armor while to use armor with arcane you need bards or magus progression.

Hi DM, I sent you a PM! It would be great to play again with Galahad and the guys. ;)

The two rulesets are very different. The original rules should function like I said, unless I deleted some key text somewhere when fiddling around with the buy in since I've changed that so many times. If I did, and anyone cares, I can access Google Docs when I get home and see what's up.

The new rules were designed specifically to highly reduce per level bookkeeping.

The metagame is also a little different. And 6thcasters can save quite a lot of points, using the old system. Enough so that I might recommend that the creators reduce the 'upkeep' of 6thcasting to only 2 points per level, after paying the initial 5 points.

Old/New
4thcasters: 20/22
6thcasters: 42/62
9thcasters: 90/81

You want to be saving more points up for the incremental ones using the old system, especially when it comes to fullcasters.

That said, I seem to have decided on a progression.

Warpriest
1st(-4): Full BAB(6), D8 HD(1), Customsimple Proficiency: Club, Light & Heavy Mace, Heavy & Light Crossbow, Unarmed, Gauntlet, Dagger, Warhammer, Light Hammer, Flail & Heavy Flail, Greatclub, Morningstar, Heavy Shield(1), Cleric Casting(5), Heavy Amor(3), Domains(5)
2nd(0): Upkeep(4)Spell Combat(5)
3rd(-1): Upkeep(4), None(0), although Spellstrike happens here
4th(-2): Upkeep(4), None(0)
5th(0): Upkeep(4), Weaponmaster fighter archetype's Weapon Training(3)

I mostly have decided on class features, only one question - how much does Swashbuckler Finesse cost, 3 or 5 points?

I bought it at 3 as the Deeds and Panache would seem to be the 5 pt ability at that level.

I think they're seperate 5pt abilities, actually. Although Panache and Grit do nothing on their own, so it'd make sense for them to be condensed into one.

Swashbuckler Finesse is just a single feat that is limited at that, going by the other comparable powers, that would make it a 3 pt ability at best. And it is unrelated to Panache.

Yeah, swashbuckler finesse seems like it should be 2 or 3 points, depending on how you value the 'piercing one-handed weapons' thing.

I wasn't talking about panache and swashbuckler finesse, I was talking about panache and deeds.

Class fluff and additional equipment to come. So far only Bracers of Armor +1, included in stat block.

Grit/panache are separated 3 points ability from deeds. And each bundle of deeds have tbe bought separated. It's missing in the guide it seems, but Swashbuckler finesse is 3 point.

Here is an example

Grit/panache are separated 3 points ability from deeds. And each bundle of deeds have tbe bought separated. It's missing in the guide it seems, but Swashbuckler finesse is 3 point.

Here is an example

Great.

Stats and fluff coming tomorrow.

Would Warpriest spellcasting give Cure / Inflict as a bonus spells?

Would it be possible to purchase the Arcane School or Domain abilities at reduced cost if I ignore the bonus spells aspect of them?

Say, instead of a primary ability with the bonus spells, they might be considered secondary abilities? Some of them are really quite useful for martial characters who won't benefit from the bonus spells at all.

I'd say no in the name of not complicating the rules. Also some domain are still pretty useful even without the extra spell and are still very good choices for martials.

Yeah, they're useful. They're just not remotely worth it at a 5 points cost.

Ah well. My teleport monk will have to wait for some other game. I'll build something rules legal, no frills.

That's why there's the Inquisitor Domain feature. 3 points for one instead of 5 for 2.

Hi DM! Chess here. Here's my submission - more details to follow on the sheet.

@Galahad: I hope we both get in, man! I miss playing with you in these forums.

So, when does recruitment end?

So, when does recruitment end?

I will give it some more days. So far i think there is only one full submission with numbers + the character descriptions, motivation and goals.

Here is Galahad0430's submission. I put everything on the profile, it should be complete. Let me know if I missed anything or need to expand on the fluff section.

I just noticed that several people keep buying the Fighter's weapon training ability at 3 points at 3rd level using the Weapon Master archetype. It replaces armor training, but it isn't a new ability, it is a Primary ability that you get early, so shouldn't it still cost 5 points? Otherwise that means you can get Fighter weapon training earlier and cheaper, that seems somewhat against the spirit of the rules.

I'd allow it. The thing is that it only work for one kind of weapon instead of the whole weapon group. And as I said some there will be random rolls for treasure so it can be a hindrance.

I was just getting ready to post that :). I forgot that it is not the same ability, it only works with one weapon.

Not to mention...that's how the archetype works. You trade Armor Training for a different Weapon Training.

Also, I forgot to mention that I'd allow weapon specific feats like weapon focus to work with the whole weapon group.

Ok, now equipped with new knowledge :) Devon is complete.

Oh! That's what I forgot! Fluff.... working on that!

Bowing out. Don't have the time right now to finalize my thoughts. I wish you all an enjoyable adventure. :-)

@ Devon.

I have the feeling bucklers don't work with slashing grace.

@ Kitska

You have listed two discoveries but only bought one.

@ Gareth

-I don't know the expertise nor loremaster archetype
-snake bitter feint replace maneuver training, so a 3 point build cost.

@ Joshua, Madcaster

So far all ok.

@ Red jaw jak

The combination of trench warfare plus dex 12/13 seems odd.

Would Warpriest spellcasting give Cure / Inflict as a bonus spells?

yeah, why not.

@ everyone

if you are going to buy spellcasting, please say what of the two rules available are you going to use. THe one on [ooc] or the one under the "Experimental new rules".

@ Gareth

-I don't know the expertise nor loremaster archetype
-snake bitter feint replace maneuver training, so a 3 point build cost.

- About Loremaster: it's actually Lore Warden, the Fighter archetype.