A plea from a fan of the First Edition to Paizo


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


I read the hardcover of the 2nd edition playtest. I really appreciate a lot of things you try to speed up or streamline. In my games, I think most GM's do this, in their own tableslang. Most of the time I'm interacting with players at the table, I try to keep it in character as much as possible. I do understand the conventions why you wrote the playtest as you did.

But between the skill rewrites and how the classes now have their own feats, I really liked the first edition of the game. It isn't that you lost a customer, I'm sure that I'm still going to buy adventures or supplements that enrich my table experience. The underlying ruleset which so many seem to complain about, I really enjoy. I can say that my table rose over 15th level over nine campaigns, so the high level gaming never angered me with some of the moving parts that aren't visible at first or low levels.

The reason 'why' I liked the first edition of the game was just how intuitive it felt. A master rogue made a trap, it will have a 40DC to find and a 42 to disarm. For me, as a GM, that sounds pretty epic. Maybe it is the numbers the numbers the numbers.

The meat within the math is significant enough to where a first level character can expect to do so much in my campaign world, but should not try to be so objectively foolhardy. A dwarven ranger hunting his chosen foe in his favored terrain has a few more advantages than a vanilla human fighter. A high level party should have the capacity to push for things they want to achieve. "We are going to find the vampire that gave this ravener ritual to Malerix, and avenge our loss to our purse."

It might be that I haven't played enough of PF2, certainly if a game started that was available to me and my schedule, I would play. Rarely do I know of other groups that would play once every three weeks.

As a GM, I really am going to support the game I want to run. It isn't anything of a personal slam to anyone who devoted time to making PF2 a reality. I would consider your efforts to continue refining the game quite noble, and you shouldn't interpret it any other way.


1st ed is still going to have its pdfs available as long as paizo can afford to host them


I hope that there's enough in the kitty to keep doing that. While I admit, there are players at my table that aren't as old as 3.x, I find nothing wrong with that. My friends back in Decatur, Illinois, are still playing out of 1st edition/Moldvay edition with The Arcanum as fluff/campaign backing. And I am sure there are people in the world that still enjoy playing the original Star Frontiers.


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Beercifer wrote:
I hope that there's enough in the kitty to keep doing that. While I admit, there are players at my table that aren't as old as 3.x, I find nothing wrong with that. My friends back in Decatur, Illinois, are still playing out of 1st edition/Moldvay edition with The Arcanum as fluff/campaign backing. And I am sure there are people in the world that still enjoy playing the original Star Frontiers.

There is legitimately enough material to play til you die in pf1, and thats just with modules, pf scenarios and adventure paths. (assuming a normal rate of play, getting together once or twice a week with occasional missed weeks to play for 3-5 hours. Simply adding this caveat because someone is going to chime in who marathons 6 hour sessions 3 nights a week to contradict).

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