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So, there is an item called Iron lord’s transforming slivers in Inner Sea Gods. It text says:
The metal flings within this pouch are a mixture of adamantine, cold iron, mithral, and steel. The flings are faintly magnetic and stick to ferrous metal but are easily wiped away. If a metal or partly metal weapon is covered in the entire contents of the pouch and placed in a hot forge overnight, it slowly grows or shrinks by one size category toward the size of the creature who applied the powder. For example, a Small +1 longsword coated with the flings by a Medium creature transforms into a Medium +1 longsword. This transformation is permanent. The pouch contains enough material to transform one weapon, regardless of size.
The question is, does that item effect presist between adventures?
Things that speak not in favor of that is in game guide:
A character can have one each of the following spells
on an item or items that carries over from adventure
to adventure: continual flame, masterwork transformation
(Pathfnder RPG Ultimate Magic 228), secret chest, and
secret page.
Things that speak in favor of that is in FAQ:
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1hh#v5748eaic9vhw
If a magic item creates something like an additional item or currency, can I keep it?
Yes.
But our Regional VC ruled that this item effect does not presist between scenarios.
Keep in mind that this item can not be abused to create more costly item by the Guide:
Equipment: If the price of an item becomes more expensive, you must sell back the affected equipment at its original full market value based on its remaining number of charges (if any). So long as you have enough gp and Fame, you can purchase the same item at its updated cost.
So here is the real question.
I currently got one character with Butchering Axe that I got from a chronicle sheet. I asked a large creature for me to use that item and played serval scenarios. To wield it, I have taken a level in Titan Fighter. Since axe no longer can be large, can I retrain that level of a fighter for free? Or I have to pay full PP/GP cost for it? Can I also get my gp for item back?
Same question about my summoner, where I used said item to make adamantine Bastard sword Huge (paying the diffrence cost). Can Eidolon retrain EWP feat for free? Can I chose another weapon and get the diffrence in gp (I would rather swing greatsword then, rather than bastard sword)?
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One more FAQ that seems to support the idea, but is not directly on point:
There are several expensive items in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook, such as the tome of clear thought, that grant inherent bonuses to ability scores. How do these items function in the Roleplaying Guild?
If you find one of these items during an adventure, its bonuses last until the end of the adventure. However, if you purchase and use the item, its bonuses are permanent. Record these bonuses on your Chronicle sheet.
The idea that a one use magic item with a permanent effect can carry over is there in the FAQ. This particular item just doesn’t seem to fit neatly into any of the categories included in any of the FAQs. Is it a spell effect that ends? Is it “creating” another item?
The slivers got mentioned a lot after the armor cost FAQ, and I was hopeful that when clarifications were issued around that, this question would get addressed. But that didn’t happen.
To note, I haven’t used the slivers on any characters. I think it’s a question worth clarifying, though.
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Thus far the PFS leadership seems to have been very careful about allowing anything which increases weapon size, especially for unusual items, into play (hence the limits on what large items are purchasable in the Guide) which to me indicates this is likely not intended as a cheap, easy way to avoid that, even ignoring the fact that as Ferious mentions none of the FAQs actually seem to specifically allow it. This potentially allows large, or even huge or greater versions of items available solely from chronicles, such as the Butchering Axe, which could easily end up creating problems.
In addition there's an issue with special materials; large weapons usually cost double the normal cost (including special materials), by instead buying a regular version in the special material you want and then simply paying for a potion of enlarge & the slivers you can save thousands of gp. For example, a large adamantine greatsword usually costs 6,100gp. By instead buying a medium adamantine greatsword, a potion of enlarge and the slivers it instead only costs you 4100gp and it gets even more crazy with mithral and any weapon weighing 6lbs or more.
Suddenly if you want a large weapon made of special materials you are down thousands more gold than someone who owns the source for slivers and knows about it, that seems like it will not only cause frustration but certainly doesn't seem the intended way to now get such weapons and it will financially punish all the players who don't do it this way in comparison.
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That brings up another part of the item that needs clarification. Is enlarge person enough? Or does the person activating the item need to remain the size it's moving toward "overnight." I think that's why Dark Deed mentions getting a large creature to use it for him. That would cut back on abuse a little, but there are still ways around that (Goliath Druid, fox form, etc.)
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Increased price of an item is not an issue, if you did read my post carefully, you'll notice citation from Society Guide:
Equipment: If the price of an item becomes more expensive, you must sell back the affected equipment at its original full market value based on its remaining number of charges (if any). So long as you have enough gp and Fame, you can purchase the same item at its updated cost.
So you still have to pay the diffrence _including_ the cost of a slivers.
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Increased price of an item is not an issue, if you did read my post carefully, you'll notice citation from Society Guide:
Equipment: If the price of an item becomes more expensive, you must sell back the affected equipment at its original full market value based on its remaining number of charges (if any). So long as you have enough gp and Fame, you can purchase the same item at its updated cost.
So you still have to pay the diffrence _including_ the cost of a slivers.
That's not what I was talking about Dark Deed, it has nothing to do with selling back items if there is a change. I am referring to the fact that if the slivers were to work as you suggest then there is a constant reduction in cost for any large weapon made of a special material that costs around 1000gp+ from that point onwards, but only for those who own the source for slivers and know of this "work around", that seems very likely unintended.
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While that may be the answer, the issue presented here is not what that section of the guide is talking about. That section of the guide is about errata and playtest versions of items being updated with a new price and what to do with items already in your possession.
To read it the way you're trying to apply it here, it would mean that, for instance, you could never have a chronicle with a reduced price purchase on it, because as soon as you purchased the item you would then be responsible for paying the difference between the reduced price and its full book value which is certainly not the intent.
I'd more likely view this as an extension of the anti-infinite money provision of the FAQ since finding a loophole to pay less for an item is effectively sort of a money generation scheme (paying less for the same thing) which is universally viewed as not allowed.
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Yes. It's worked for years. It was hashed out 4 years ago.
Dark Deed, the section you're referencing on price change is specfically for when Errata changes the price. Not a concern here.
Inner Sea Gods isn't really an obscure source.
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Yes. It's worked for years. It was hashed out 4 years ago.
I don't actually see an official answer in that thread though...
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Once again, it was ruled by Regional VC that the change is not permament. So unless some highter authority says otherwise, I'm here just to know, can I hope for refunds or not?
As part of that discussion the following note was made, "This is, as has been noted, a very grey area and this is not a binding PFS ruling but instead our opinion on how the item works. GMs should apply the rules as they understand them, but if they feel they require backup are welcome to reference this."
The answer to whether you can get a refund or not is that only Paizo staff can do such in an Official Clarification/Post.