Chaos Beast - Corporeal Instability


Rules Questions


So the Chaos Beast's attack comes with a curse. Curiously it notes that 3 consecutive saves will cure it.

When would you make additional saves though? It's got a bit where you can make an entirely different save to hold your form for a minute.

Is that the save that 3 in a row cures? Or should the original fort save be made at some sort of interval?

Rules text:
Corporeal Instability (Su) Claw—contact (curse); save Fort DC 17; effect amorphous body and 1 Wisdom drain per round (see below); cure 3 consecutive saves. The save DC is Con-based.

A victim can temporarily regain its own shape by taking a standard action to attempt a DC 15 Will save.


That is a weird curse.

Normally, I'd say that the Will save is just part of the effect of the curse and that the Fortitude saves are all that matters with respect to curing the condition. However, I don't actually see anything in the ability description that describes the victim receiving additional Fortitude saves at all--there's no Frequency value for the affliction, and the description only mentions the effects of the Will saving throw. I'm forced to conclude that in this case the Will saving throw is the thing you have to pass three times in a row to be cured.

If I've missed something, though, hopefully someone will point it out. : ) Afflictions are somewhat error-prone in this game.


Full rules text:

Quote:

Corporeal Instability (Su) Claw—contact (curse); save Fort DC 17; effect amorphous body and 1 Wisdom drain per round (see below); cure 3 consecutive saves. The save DC is Con-based.

A creature cursed with an amorphous body becomes a spongy, shapeless mass. Unless the victim manages to control the effect (see below), its shape constantly melts, flows, writhes, and boils. An affected creature is unable to hold or use any item. Clothing, armor, helmets, and rings become useless. Large items worn or carried—armor, backpacks, even shirts—hamper more than help, reducing the victim's Dexterity score by 4. Speed is reduced to 10 feet or one-quarter normal, whichever is less. The victim gains the amorphous quality, but cannot cast spells or use magic items, and it attacks blindly, unable to distinguish friend from foe (–4 penalty on attack rolls and a 50% miss chance, regardless of the attack roll).

A victim can temporarily regain its own shape by taking a standard action to attempt a DC 15 Will save (this check DC does not vary for a chaos beast with different Hit Dice or ability scores). A success reestablishes the creature's normal form for 1 minute. Spells that change the victim's shape (such as alter self, beast shape, elemental body, and polymorph) do not remove the curse, but hold the creature in a stable form (which might not be its own form, depending on the spell) and prevent additional Wisdom drain for the duration of the spell; shapechange and stoneskin have a similar effect. The victim takes 1 point of Wisdom drain from mental shock every round that it ends its turn in an amorphous shape—upon being drained to 1 Wisdom, further Wisdom drain ceases and the amorphous body effect is permanent until removed via magic (no further number of saving throws can cure the condition at this time).

The "A victim can temporarily regain its own shape by taking a standard action to attempt a DC 15 Will save (this check DC does not vary for a chaos beast with different Hit Dice or ability scores). A success reestablishes the creature's normal form for 1 minute." bit is probably what you can do three times to cure yourself.


From the rules on afflictions I think it's the fortitude save you have to pass 3 times. The will save is just to regain your own shape and has nothing really to do with the function of the curse.

It is really missing the frequency. I'd infer a 1/round to match the wisdom drain but effectively that means one will save means most non-wisdom casters are likely maintain their shape until they either make the fort saves or become comatose (give or take a handful of rounds).


dragonhunterq wrote:

From the rules on afflictions I think it's the fortitude save you have to pass 3 times. The will save is just to regain your own shape and has nothing really to do with the function of the curse.

It is really missing the frequency. I'd infer a 1/round to match the wisdom drain but effectively that means one will save means most non-wisdom casters are likely maintain their shape until they either make the fort saves or become comatose (give or take a handful of rounds).

It looks like you don’t go comatose. The curse’s drain stops at 1 wisdom but the amorphism and all its penalties become permenent until break curse is cast upon the afflicted creature.

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