Greater Trip AoO with Two Weapons, but not TWFing

[daydark]

Hi there. I play a Bard with a Whip in one hand and a Longspear or Longsword in the other. When I get access to Greater Trip, please confirm/deny that this sequence of events is RAW

1) I use my Standard Action to make a successful trip attempt with my Whip.

2) Greater Trip feat - Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.

3) I use my Longspear/Longsword to make my single attack of opportunity.

My understanding is that since I am never using both weapons during the same action, I wouldn't suffer TWF penalties on the AoO with the Longsword.

Can anyone confirm this? And even better, could anyone point me to the rules so that if a GM asks, I can show them? Thanks!

[Darius Silverbolt]

Longspear is a two handed weapon.

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

You can do that, or could if you could hold both weapons at once. You can also use your whip to make the AoO. TWF only kicks in if you are trying to get extra attacks, as per this FAQ (first line, rest of it doesn't concern you).

EDIT: Using the whip to make the AoO requires you to be threatening with the whip, which requires the Improved Whip Mastery feat or equivalent.

[Chess Pwn]

it wouldn't work cause you don't have the longspear in hand to take advantage of the AoO if you're using your whip. And your whip doesn't threaten so it can't take the AoO. So unless they were next to you, and you used your whip, which provokes normally, to trip them while having a longsword in your other hand you can't take the AoO.

[daydark]

Thanks for the replies so far. So let's say I was holding Whip and Longsword and standing right next to the foe.

1) Whip trip
2) Longsword AoO

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

daydark wrote:

Thanks for the replies so far. So let's say I was holding Whip and Longsword and standing right next to the foe.

1) Whip trip
2) Longsword AoO

Works fine (assuming you still have an AoO left that round, of course) and is definitely not TWF.

If your BAB is +6/+1 or better, so you have an iterative attack, and there are two foes next to you, and if you have Combat Reflexes so you can make multiple AoOs per round, you could even make a full attack and do the following:

1st part of full attack => whip trip foe A
AoO => longsword at foe A for tripping
2nd part of full attack => whip trip foe B
AoO => longsword at foe B for tripping

And it's still not TWF.

[Chess Pwn]

yes, but you'll potentially provoke from attacking via the whip.

[Imbicatus]

daydark wrote:

Thanks for the replies so far. So let's say I was holding Whip and Longsword and standing right next to the foe.

1) Whip trip
2) Longsword AoO

This would work, but unless you have whip mastery, your trip attack with the whip will provoke an attack of opportunity.

[daydark]

Thanks guys, all the replies have answered all my questions!!