Multiple Head Natural Attacks?

[Heathwool]

I'm trying to make a PFS Toothy Half-Orc Abyssal Blood rager, and I'm trying to find out if I put on a Helmet of the Mammoth Lord to get a Gore Attack, as part of my full round do I get to Claw Claw Bite Gore (basically can I gore and bite with the same full round)?

RAW seems to suggest that i would lose it when I am using a weapon in my full round action, but i could do as many natural attacks as listed. It would seem that RAI would suggest this stipulation that I would forgo an attack.

Also, this came up yesterday: Can I full round with claws if I have a great sword in hand, but did not attack with it? I was ruled that I free action dropped the sword, but I think RAW says I can.

[Saethori]

You can use both bite and gore in the same round. It might seem like they occupy the same limb, but gargoyles are a precedent for having both in the same full attack.

If you have a Greatsword, you need to be using at least one hand to carry it. So you can attack with only one claw in this instance.

If you free action drop it, you can use both claws, but this means having to move action pick it up later, which may be an impairment.

[wraithstrike]

You do not lose the claw attacks unless you use the sword.

Bite and Gores are two different natural attacks so yes. IIRC Gargoyles have both.

[Heathwool]

Just to be clear on the two handed thing: it only says you forgo if you attack with a manufactured weapon, so it could be assumed as long as the limb is available (i.e. not tied up, or gripping a Shield) it could be used? Or would you say that holding the sword is tieing up that limb and cannot be used?

[Saethori]

You're carrying something in that hand. That is very much tied up and unavailable.

It's the same reason you can't make somatic components if your hands are full.

[SheepishEidolon]

I'd count 'gore' as a separate limb, therefore it can combined with bite attacks from the same head. Some monsters from regular bestiaries support this view, being capable to attack with 'gore' mounted on their head:

Gargoyle (as already mentioned, Bestiary 1)
Half-fiend minotaur (B1)
Tarrasque (B1)
Catoblepas (B2)
Olethrodaemon (B2)
Kalavakus (B2)
Immolation devil (B2)
Wereboard, hybrid form (B2)
Thrasfyr (B2)
etc. etc. (stopped skimming at the end of B2)

[Calth]

There is no "one natural attack per limb rule." There is a rule of 1 iteration of a natural weapon per limb rule. That is, you cant have two bites with one head, but however many different natural weapons (like bite and gore) can be placed on a given limb can all be used.

Also, there is no rule stating that claw attacks must be made with empty hands. You just cant use that hand to attack with a weapon and a claw in the same attack action.

[CBDunkerson]

Calth wrote:

There is no "one natural attack per limb rule." There is a rule of 1 iteration of a natural weapon per limb rule. That is, you cant have two bites with one head

What if the creature has two mouths? Gibbering Mouther gets 6 bites with one 'body'.

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, but however many different natural weapons (like bite and gore) can be placed on a given limb can all be used.

I agree a creature can get both bite & gore with the same head... but not something like claw & slam with the same hand.