Primal Companion and Handle Animal


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Hey there. Simple question, looking for the RAW answer. Does a Lunar oracle with the Primal Companion revelation get a +4 on Handle Animal checks with their companion, like a druid or ranger would with theirs? The Handle Animal skill description mentions druids and rangers getting a bonus to checks, but doesn't say anything about animal companions from other sources. Or maybe I'm just blind and missed it hidden somewhere. Would my Lunar oracle miss out on that +4? What about paladins with mounts, cavaliers, hunters, sylvan sorcerers, or any other class that gives animal companions? If so, a 1 level dip in druid would fix this and open up all animal companions as valid options, right? I mean, it's not exactly an optimal choice but getting access to pretty much any beasty I want softens the blow a tiny bit.

If Lunar oracles and all these other classes that get animal companions or mounts don't get this bonus, that seems a bit weird to me. Especially cavaliers and hunters.


Back then during the release of the Core Rulebook, druids and rangers were the only ones that existed that could have animal companions. It's similar to how a lot of text assumed only wizards could prepare arcane spells.

...admittedly, this doesn't actually change RAW, which does in fact single out two classes.

FAQ worthy?


Actually, I just found the answer and I feel pretty dumb. It's right there in the Animal Companion rules, the Link ability is what gives them the +4. Now, unless by some weird twisting of the rules only druids can take advantage of the special qualities animal companions get, and I don't think that's the case, anyone with an animal companion gets that +4. Oddly, the Handle Animal rules specify druids and rangers, when a Core Rulebook paladin can have a mount, which uses the animal companion progression chart and gets Link. That's why I was confused, my eyes glazed over Link but I noticed the line in the skill description.

I still don't know if a dip would give me access to all animals on the druid list, though.


It would, but not in a way you might hope. This was brought up before in regards to cavalier and druid levels, and the response generally went like this:

If the companion you want is on both class lists for ACs, then they stack and all is well. If it is not, then each class has its own animal companion, using only that class's levels, until you decide to abandon one AC and then accept the AC from the other class as the replacement.


Lord Corvus wrote:

Actually, I just found the answer and I feel pretty dumb. It's right there in the Animal Companion rules, the Link ability is what gives them the +4. Now, unless by some weird twisting of the rules only druids can take advantage of the special qualities animal companions get, and I don't think that's the case, anyone with an animal companion gets that +4. Oddly, the Handle Animal rules specify druids and rangers, when a Core Rulebook paladin can have a mount, which uses the animal companion progression chart and gets Link. That's why I was confused, my eyes glazed over Link but I noticed the line in the skill description.

I still don't know if a dip would give me access to all animals on the druid list, though.

The text remains unchanged from 3.5 D&D, where the paladin mount had a different progression from animal companions. 3.5 paladin mounts started with an Intelligence of 6, so Handle Animal wasn't needed as they weren't dumb animals (and indeed couldn't even be used anyway, as Handle Animal was limited to creatures of 1 or 2 Intelligence only).

The rules changed in Pathfinder, but not all of the text itself got changed.

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