[PFS] Unchained Arcane Trixter


Rules Questions


Hi. I have an elven Unchained Rogue 3/Evoker 1 who is going to go Arcane Trickster. My question is, when I hit AT 2 and gain +1d6 sneak, will it add to the unchained sneak I already have (which can only be blocked by total concealment), or does it give me 1d6 of regular sneak {which can be blocked by concealment such as a blur spell)?


unchained sneak


I actually don't think that's the case. I have an arcane trickster who is an Unchained Rogue 1/Brawler (Snakebite Striker) 1/Wizard 2/Arcane Trickster 10 (grandfathered from SLA ruling), with sneak attack from brawler and unchained rogue. I don't see any reason that arcane trickster sneak should be different from what it says.

My arcane trickster totally took Shadow Strike.

Aside: How are you qualifying for arcane trickster without level 2 spells? SLAs no longer count for qualifying for arcane trickster.


GM's call until such time Paizo updates the PRC's to reflect the unchained version of the Rogue. I'd be inclined to count the total as unchained sneak.

Scarab Sages

This belongs in the rules forum, but BNW is correct, you keep unchained sneak attack.

Silver Crusade

Andrew Roberts wrote:


Aside: How are you qualifying for arcane trickster without level 2 spells? SLAs no longer count for qualifying for arcane trickster.

Seems to me like he's just planning ahead.


UndeadMitch wrote:
Andrew Roberts wrote:


Aside: How are you qualifying for arcane trickster without level 2 spells? SLAs no longer count for qualifying for arcane trickster.
Seems to me like he's just planning ahead.

Oh derp. Thanks. :)


Andrew Roberts wrote:

I actually don't think that's the case. I have an arcane trickster who is an Unchained Rogue 1/Brawler (Snakebite Striker) 1/Wizard 2/Arcane Trickster 10 (grandfathered from SLA ruling), with sneak attack from brawler and unchained rogue. I don't see any reason that arcane trickster sneak should be different from what it says.

My arcane trickster totally took Shadow Strike.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't necessary. Train out the feat.

Arcane trickster

Sneak Attack: This is exactly like the rogue ability of the same name. The extra damage dealt increases by +1d6 every other level (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, and 10th). If an arcane trickster gets a sneak attack bonus from another source, the bonuses on damage stack.

You are adding the trickster sneak attack to your rogue sneak attack, so its the same pool and uses the same rules.

Aside: How are you qualifying for arcane trickster without level 2 spells? SLAs no longer count for qualifying for arcane trickster.

Shadow Lodge

I'd say you get another 1d6 of the "unchained" sneak attack, based on how the arcane trickster class feature is worded:

PRD wrote:
Sneak Attack: This is exactly like the rogue ability of the same name. The extra damage dealt increases by +1d6 every other level (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, and 10th). If an arcane trickster gets a sneak attack bonus from another source, the bonuses on damage stack.

Technically, the name of the "unchained" rogue is just "rogue", and the name of the "unchained" sneak attack ability is just "sneak attack", so the "unchained" version would still be "the rogue ability of the same name".

Also, the snakebite striker archetype uses the same language, so I'd say Yiroep's arcane trickster would use the "unchained" sneak attack, considering that the character actually has a level of the "unchained" rogue.


Hrm, interesting. I mean, in a home game, I'd be 100% for it (actually, just make ALL sneak attack work that way...it's better. Just like I say duelist precise strike is exactly swashbuckler's). I have moved my stance to "unclear, but would favor players." :)

Shadow Lodge

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Aside: How are you qualifying for arcane trickster without level 2 spells? SLAs no longer count for qualifying for arcane trickster.
Andrew Roberts wrote:
(grandfathered from SLA ruling)

Any character that had actually been played with a level of a PrC that they used an SLA to qualify for prior to the FAQ changing was grandfathered in (but without the grace period we had when the planestouched races were re-booned).

Grand Lodge

Seems to be irrelevant for this thread, though, since the OP said: "going to go", meaning he does not yet have any levels of Arcane Trickster yet.

Although there appears to be a legal way to go Arcane Trickster with a Rogue 1/Wizard 3 build, using a feat (I think it is PFS legal) from the Dirty Tactics Toolbox that gives a PC an extra sneak attack die, but no more than 1, as long as it doesn't bring his sneak attack dice total higher than half his character level, which would give this class combo 2d6 of sneak attack, so legal to go AT at 5th level, instead of the "normal" 7th level.


kinevon wrote:

Seems to be irrelevant for this thread, though, since the OP said: "going to go", meaning he does not yet have any levels of Arcane Trickster yet.

Although there appears to be a legal way to go Arcane Trickster with a Rogue 1/Wizard 3 build, using a feat (I think it is PFS legal) from the Dirty Tactics Toolbox that gives a PC an extra sneak attack die, but no more than 1, as long as it doesn't bring his sneak attack dice total higher than half his character level, which would give this class combo 2d6 of sneak attack, so legal to go AT at 5th level, instead of the "normal" 7th level.

Accomplished Sneak Attacker

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / [PFS] Unchained Arcane Trixter All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.