Rules for Winter Witch familiars?


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Silver Crusade 1/5

Okay, I'm playing a Winter Witch character, archetype from Inner Sea Magic not prestige class, and have recently come up to an issue regarding my character's familiar. I took the arctic hare from the Reign of Winter Player's Guide, since it's an allowed resource, and fulfills the requirement of the familiar being native to the frozen north, but in a thread over in the general advice section, I was told that I had to choose from the much smaller list under the familiar section of the archetype.

Is the arctic hare a valid familiar, without Improved Familiar, or do I need to pick a different one?

4/5 5/5

Unfortunately, since no errata has been given, you're stuck with the list mentioned with the archetype.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Additionally, if this is for PFS, then the RoW Player's Guide is not a valid source as per the Additional Resources document.

Sovereign Court

UndeadMitch wrote:
Additionally, if this is for PFS, then the RoW Player's Guide is not a valid source as per the Additional Resources document.

Correct. Only the various adventures themselves are legal resources. The PG itself is not.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Well, that's one character scrapped until I make the appropriate adjustments.

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 **** Venture-Captain, Washington—Spokane

Yes, ROW players guide is not a legal resource for PFS (Darn, I do wish that it and others were legal (without the obvious campaign traits of course). Although there is a specific list with the archetype, you may find table variation with the use of other legal familiars.

Silver Crusade 3/5

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I agree with Preston. Even though the arctic hare is not legal, I think some GMs are over-thinking it. Just go with a rabbit (Animal Archive), which has

    Environment cold forests or plains.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Coincidentally, I was just coming to ask about familiars from the Reign of Winter Players Guide, too. My question isn't specifically about Winter Witches, though, just the familiar availability.

That guide isn't on the Additional Resources list at all.

However, the Additional Resources listing for the Familiar Folio says "the animal familiars on pages 24–27 and inside front cover, except the ioun wyrd and the petromin, are legal for play". Since the inside front cover of FF lists all of the RoWPG animals, they would seem to be allowed.

So the Additional Resources list seems to contradict itself in this case.

Silver Crusade 3/5

Good catch, Fromper!

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 **** Venture-Captain, Washington—Spokane

Fromper wrote:

Coincidentally, I was just coming to ask about familiars from the Reign of Winter Players Guide, too. My question isn't specifically about Winter Witches, though, just the familiar availability.

That guide isn't on the Additional Resources list at all.

However, the Additional Resources listing for the Familiar Folio says "the animal familiars on pages 24–27 and inside front cover, except the ioun wyrd and the petromin, are legal for play". Since the inside front cover of FF lists all of the RoWPG animals, they would seem to be allowed.

So the Additional Resources list seems to contradict itself in this case.

Good catch and I would concur that the Familiar Folio entry would make the ROW PG Familiars legal.

Grand Lodge 5/5

I wonder why the various player guides are not legal for stuff other than campaign traits. Most material from them is not particularly powerful.

The Exchange 5/5

a winter witch with the smaller familiar list is still a viable character .. Mine has done quite well in PFS over the years

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Thea Peters wrote:
a winter witch with the smaller familiar list is still a viable character .. Mine has done quite well in PFS over the years

So did mine, then I got the lyrakin. :-)

Funny Familiar story recently.

6 seconds to midnight:
The fight with <redacted> are brutalizing the party and the Shaman player had forgotten his familiar. Well, I'd seen him do that (keep in mind, I know it's accidentally) before but having played Ksenia through 13 levels, I know how risky it can be.

So to give the party a chance (seriously, who thought that fight was fair?) and remind the player that you live by the familiar, you die by the familiar, I had the <redacted> show up in the invisibility purge still radiating from the dead cleric and fire off their <redacted> at party members.

In the same square as his familiar. The look of panic on his face as he remembered all the close calls with my witch's familiar was worth it. (No I wasn't going to dump 4 <redacted> into a familiar, it was a learning expeience, not a Richard move. I would have taken the AoO's if he didn't full withdrawl though)


Lesson learned.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Just got Familiar Folio last night, so I should be good, unless a GM wants to argue that an arctic hare is not native to the frozen north.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Val'bryn2 wrote:
Just got Familiar Folio last night, so I should be good, unless a GM wants to argue that an arctic hare is not native to the frozen north.

Heads up, you can expect a good but of variation on this. The problem is that the entry gives a list and says that other appropriate choices may be possible with the GM's permission. In Society play, you are limited to what the list says. Like Preston said some GM's may allow a familiar not on the list, but many other GMs won't allow it. expect table variation. If you go with an off-the-list choice and a GM vetoes it, just roll with it and have a different familiar for that session as opposed to eating up table time and arguing with the GM.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Any arguments, I'll just bring out my kineticist. Good alternate character, there.

Shadow Lodge 2/5

Yep, until it is ruled otherwise, we who play Winter Witches in PFS must take their choices from the specifically listed familiars in the archetype description.

It's only inconvenient until you can take Improved Familiar as a feat. Then things get interesting... ;)

2/5

So since the Additional Resources page got updated for Oct 30.

Quote:

Reign of Winter Player's Guide

Familiars: The familiars on pages 10–11 are legal for play.

Does this mean Winter Witch archetypes can use arctic hares and other familiars from the Reign of Winter Players Guide with no more issues?

Silver Crusade 5/5

I would say so, since they are specifically listed in the player's guide as cold climate familiars.

Shadow Lodge 2/5

And the question lives on...

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