Timing questions on WotR Kyra's heals


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So, I play a blessing on someone's check to defeat a bane. This triggers my power to choose a character at my location Rio shuffle a random card from their discard pile into their deck. I choose me. Is the blessing I just played in my discard pile.

Also, when exactly does the card get shuffled in, relative to other things that are going on? Say I play the blessing on someone fighting a Carrion Golem, and also choose that person for healing. They still lose, despite my blessing, and have to discard two cards from the top of their deck. Is that before or after they shuffle the card in? And if the Carrion Golem specified that it did this "after you act", would that change the answer?


WotR Kyra wrote:
When you use the above power or play a blessing that does not have the Corrupted trait on another character’s (□ or your) check to defeat, a character at your location may shuffle 1 random card from his discard pile into his deck after the check.

It happens "after the check." So, yes, your blessing is in your discard pile because you had to complete the check, which included discarding your blessing.

And yes, the check is before both the resolving of the encounter (when the carrion golem would be undefeated) and before "after you act" so in either case, you'd have the cards shuffled back in already. If we revised the encountering a card sequence and inserted this power it would look like this.

"Encountering a Card wrote:

Apply any effects that happen when you encounter a card.

Apply any evasion effects.
Apply any effects that happen before you act.
Attempt the check.
Power kicks in here.
Attempt the next check, if needed.
Power kicks in here.
Apply any effects that happen after you act.
Resolve the encounter. <-Things are defeated or undefeated here.


Thanks, that's very helpful.

What about wizards who have a power like "when you play a spell look at the top card of your deck..."; would that also happen at the same time?

What if both of these things are happening; do we choose what order to do them in?


It sort of depends. RotR Ezren's power is pretty clear. It is even covered in the FAQ.. From that, it is clear that you draw after you fully finish the check.

Other characters, like Radillo say "When you play". There isn't an FAQ for that. There was some discussion here about it. You could argue that the difference is meant to imply you draw as soon as you play the card. However, re-reading that Ezren related FAQ makes me think that maybe, even if it says "when" you should still do it after you fully finish the check, since it is dealing with an effect triggered by the check.

So, I guess I'm not totally sure if it says "when" now. In terms of "feel" I think I like the feel of doing it after you finish the check. But that is just my gut, or maybe that is just the leftover pizza I ate for breakfast this morning. It is hard to tell.


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One thing to note: Whether the power says "when you play a spell" or "after you play a spell", you perform the action specified by the power before you attempt to recharge the spell you played.


elcoderdude wrote:
One thing to note: Whether the power says "when you play a spell" or "after you play a spell", you perform the action specified by the power before you attempt to recharge the spell you played.

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

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