Gnome oracle needs a diet


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Ok, so heres the build and concept.

Gnomish life oracle

Str: 13
Dex: 11
Con: 18
Int: 7
Wis: 7
Cha: 18

Traits:
Sacred Touch
Reactionary

Feats:
toughness
fey foundling
divine protection
fast healer
selective channeling

1st
Oracle 1
Lame, Orisons, Revelation: Life Link, Fey Foundling (1st)
2nd
Fighter 1
Endurance (bonus), Diehard (bonus)
3rd
Oracle 2
Mystery Spell: Detect Undead, Toughness (3rd)
4th
Oracle 3
Revelation: Channel
5th
Oracle 4
Mystery Spell: Lesser Restoration, Divine Protection (5th)
6th
Oracle 5

7th
Oracle 6
Mystery Spell: Neutralize Poison, Selective Channeling (7th)
8th
Oracle 7
Revelation: Energy Body
9th
Oracle 8
Mystery Spell: Restoration, Fast Healer (9th)
10th
Oracle 9

11th
Oracle 10
Mystery Spell: Breath of Life, Extra Channel (11th)
12th
Oracle 11
Revelation: Spirit Boost

So its a bit wordy and such but my main focus is how to not be stuck at 10ft movement (gnome+lame+armor=suck)

I am just looking for suggestions on how to go faster, excluding the obvious. Ex. Boots of striding, longstrider potions, mithril.


Is there a compelling reason to go Lame? Why not choose Tongues or something else? I pretty much only ever suggest Lame for Barbarians/Bloodragers.


I forgot to add something. Also excluding travel cleric and barb due to levels messing up revelation progression.


LordAwesome wrote:
I am just looking for suggestions on how to go faster, excluding the obvious. Ex. Boots of striding, longstrider potions, mithril.

What exactly is obvious to you? Because I'd suggest simply getting a pony or two, to improve your speed and carrying capacity.


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As a small creature, simply get a medium riding animal, like a friendly Bernese Mountain Dog, or some other fluffy slobbering hairmountain.

You then use the mount's speed instead your own "lame" one. /pun out. ;-) Everywhere your medium sized groupmates can go, your mount can go too. This is the biggest drawback with Large mounts like horses.

If you want to go deeper in this direction the Nature Oracle can get an Animal Companion. then your mount would also have good combat-relevant stats.


Guru-Meditation wrote:

As a small creature, simply get a medium riding animal, like a friendly Bernese Mountain Dog, or some other fluffy slobbering hairmountain.

You then use the mount's speed instead your own "lame" one. /pun out. ;-) Everywhere your medium sized groupmates can go, your mount can go too. This is the biggest drawback with Large mounts like horses.

If you want to go deeper in this direction the Nature Oracle can get an Animal Companion. then your mount would also have good combat-relevant stats.

Thanks a lot. This is in PFS BTW. I did end up buying a war trained pony (45g) and it helps a bit. For 45g, really valuable.


Just a heads up - you may want to review Divine Protection after the recent ACG errata. It is now far more limited than the original incarnation, and you may want to skip it.


Thanx for the help guys. LordAwesome is my son.

I didn't notice the ACG errata on Divine Protection. Damn, I really need to read that in full. Paizo goin' rampant with the nerf stick all o'er the place.

Just to elaborate a bit LordAwesome is looking for a long term solution to a long term problem. I tried to convince him out of Lame for a small sized character. It seems that his logic is that he believes immunity to fatigue will be worth it in PFS due to the number of adventures with climate based effects that will cause fatigue. I don't see that as worth it but he isn't to be convinced so those are the confines I have to work within to help him make his concept not suck.

The pony is really a short term solution that only works for places he will be able to take it. He doesn't have a single rank in ride and I doubt he will be taking any. Level 10 Oracle will help some but that is a long time off. He will need a better solution before then.

He really wants that 1 level of Unbreakable Fighter. I can understand it as it is a powerhouse level and those feats will help him with staying up after taking a bunch of damage from Life Link. Fitting in a level of Barbarian would certainly help with the movement speed issues but I fear it would water him down too much from the slow casting progression of Oracle especially after doing the Fighter level as well.

The only solutions I can think of are as follows:
1. A level of Barbarian (or Bloodrager, I suppose).
Pros - +10ft movement that stacks with Boots of Striding and Springing, good HP for one level which will help with soaking from Life Link, Rage gives some options for melee. If he goes with Bloodrager then Longstrider is considered "on his spell list" and he could effectively use a wand of it.
Cons - Even further delaying Oracle progression along with the Fighter dip, the only heavy armor option while retaining the movement bonus is Mithril heavy armor and that is rather expensive.
...one option is to take out the Fighter level. Not taking Divine Protection frees up one feat and he could swap another to get Diehard online.

2. Obtaining the Travel Domain.... only way I see viable is Cleric or Inquisitor.
Pros - +10ft movement that stacks with Boots of Striding and Springing ...thats about it.
Cons - Wis is so low he wouldn't get to cast any spells, even domain spells (I think?). That pretty much means he would be taking a level to get 0 BAB, 2 good saves and s~*$ty skill points. ...and the movement.

3. Ponies and Boots.
Pros - Do not have to invest in spending levels not in Oracle, solves the problem by just throwing gold at it.
Cons - The wait is long, ponies don't always help, boots only bring him up to his normal movement speed which is still crap until level 10.

What he really needs is a way to grab a domain without having high Wis. Honestly if he could get that then it would basically solve his issue.


About the climate issue:
Buy a parasol or umbrella. That'll help with sun and rain, at least. And be stylish, too!
The Abjuration variant of Cloak of the Hedge Wizard (a really cheap and versatile item) has Endure Elements 1/day on it, and guess how long the duration of that spell is. I'll give you a hint: the same number of hours in a day. It's also got other use, too, of course (at-will Prestidigitation and Resistance, 1/day Shield).
If all else fails, Endure Elements is a 1st-level Oracle spell, so getting that as a spell known or getting a wand of it would also help. Lesser Restoration is a 2nd-level Oracle spell that'll remove fatigue as one of its effects that should probably be gotten anyway.


I think we found a solution. Bloodrager seems like the best option for a single level dip. It gives Fast Movement that stacks with everything including Longstrider which is now "on his spell list". He can spend 2PP and get a wand of it at 2nd level. That will make his movement speed while in medium armor 30. At 10th level Oracle that goes up to 35.

I think the armor that he should go for is Mithril Full Plate, spending a Trait on Armor Expert and getting Steelbone Frame. That makes his ACP -0 and still allows him to keep his fast movement from Bloodrager. Expeditious Retreat is also on his spell list, as is Haste. This gives him some wand options.

Plus, Bloodrage doesn't suck. Celestial seems like the best Bloodline fit as it makes all his attacks aligned and still stacks with Holy.

Honestly, the only downside at that point is that it still delays Oracle caster progression. Also, taking out that level of Fighter moves his feats all down and requires that he actually take Endurance and Diehard. But at least he doesn't have to spend one on Divine Protection anymore. The net affect is he doesn't get Toughness until later (but he already has a massive Con) and he skips Selective Channel altogether. Not a major loss, really as for this build he will be doing most of his healing to only himself.


Lune wrote:

I think we found a solution. Bloodrager seems like the best option for a single level dip. It gives Fast Movement that stacks with everything including Longstrider which is now "on his spell list". He can spend 2PP and get a wand of it at 2nd level. That will make his movement speed while in medium armor 30. At 10th level Oracle that goes up to 35.

I think the armor that he should go for is Mithril Full Plate, spending a Trait on Armor Expert and getting Steelbone Frame. That makes his ACP -0 and still allows him to keep his fast movement from Bloodrager. Expeditious Retreat is also on his spell list, as is Haste. This gives him some wand options.

Plus, Bloodrage doesn't suck. Celestial seems like the best Bloodline fit as it makes all his attacks aligned and still stacks with Holy.

Honestly, the only downside at that point is that it still delays Oracle caster progression. Also, taking out that level of Fighter moves his feats all down and requires that he actually take Endurance and Diehard. But at least he doesn't have to spend one on Divine Protection anymore. The net affect is he doesn't get Toughness until later (but he already has a massive Con) and he skips Selective Channel altogether. Not a major loss, really as for this build he will be doing most of his healing to only himself.

This all seems rather complicated for something he could just get a Wand of Endure Elements for less than a thousand GP to solve...


As I said, I tried convincing him not to go Lame but he would have nothing of it. So those are the constraints that I have to work within.


The Fleet feat gives an extra 5 ft. to your move speeds and can be taken multiple times, so that could be an option if the build isn't too feat-starved.
Apparently 6 levels of Aerokineticist can get you a constant Fly SLA, which is a 60ft. move speed (40 if weighed down), but that's a pretty big level investment even if you took the Overwhelming Soul archetype to make Charisma your main Kineticist stat.
A few levels of Ninja (2 minimum) would let you spend a Ki point to give you +20ft. for 1 round, and the Ki Pool would be Charisma-based. Ninja also gives a bunch of free Exotic proficiencies, Poison Use, a bit of Sneak Attack, and a Ninja Trick/Rogue Talent.

Basically the entire point of the Lame curse is for a Barbarian or Bloodrager to take a 5-level or so multiclass into Oracle. Which they don't technically even need to do now with Variant Multiclassing offering an Oracle Curse and Mystery.
Keep in mind that Blood Casting at Bloodrager 4 only lets you cast Bloodrager spells while raging, not Oracle spells or abilities, and that Bloodline Powers are only active while Blooraging unless stated otherwise.
They Fey Bloodline would be most thematic for a Gnome, though not necessarily the best.

I just noticed: remember when I mentioned he could use Lesser Restoration to get rid of Fatigue? LIFE ORACLE GETS IT AS A MYSTERY BONUS SPELL.


Sorry for the double post, but I came across the Agile Alpenstock and remembered this thread. It's cheap and you can use it as a quarterstaff.

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