Playing out of subteir?


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1/5

So a friend of mine ran a PFS scenario for us over the weekend and I wanted to make sure we did it correctly.

My son and I were playing 3rd level characters and another friend had a 1st level character and the DM played Kira at 1st level. We decided as 2 of the actual players had 3rd level characters that we would play at the higher subteir. We did alright (aside from having to deal with a swarm that was a pain) and finished the adventure.

The question is, my son and I get the out of subteir bonus on the chronicle sheet. I get that. But what about the 1st level player? And what about the GM? Do they get the 1-2 because that is the level they are? Or do they get the subteir reward because that is the level they played at?

What about the loot? Do we all get access to the higher teir loot?

Grand Lodge 2/5

You get the loot for the tier you play in. If you play in a tier that does not include your level, then you get out-of-tier gold.

It's my understanding that the DM gets whatever he wants (including full prestige even if the players didn't). If someone could more fully explain this part I'd much appreciate it.

4/5

By the rule set, with two level one and two level the characters, your party had an APL of two and should have been playing down with the lower rewards that resulted. In general, characters in tier get the in tier gold and characters out of tier get the out of tier gold,but all characters get access to the items from the tier they played in. GM characters receive gold appropriate to the tier the character they placed the credit on would be (1-2 for a lower character, 4-5 for a higher one, or out of tier gold for a L3.)

4/5 5/55/55/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Minnesota—Minneapolis

I'm not sure how you got out of sub-tier with the group.

APL =( 1 + 1 + 3 + 3 )/4 = 2. If it was a 1-5 scenario, with a four character group you would need an APL of over 3 to have the option of playing up to the 4-5 tier. Exact rules are in the Guide on pg. 32.

Assuming you did play at sub-tier 4-5 in a 1-5 scenario, any character below level 4 would get the out of tier gold and all items/boons for the sub-tier 4-5.

If you played at sub-tier 1-2, the 3rd level characters would have gotten out of tier gold and only the sub-tier 1-2 rewards from the sheet. The 1st level characters would have gotten normal (sub-tier 1-2) gold. The sub-tier 4-5 would have to be crossed-out on all sheets.

The GM gets the rewards depending on the level of the character they were applying it to. Apply it to a 1st or 2nd level character, it is sub-tier 1-2. Apply it to a 3rd level character, it is out of tier. Apply it to a 4th or 5th level character, it is the higher tier.

5/5

FYI, if it was 2 level 3's and 2 level 1's, that's APL of 2 [(3+3+1+1)/4] so you should have played tier 1-2. No choice really in the matter there.

Regardless, in this situation it sounds like you played 4-5 and everyone who played was out of tier, so they all get out of subtier rewards. Boons/items received are based on actual table play level for characters that were at the table. So, every player at the table (minus GM) gets what was found for the higher and lower tier. If you didn't find something, or something was supposed to be crossed out due to not completing a section, then you don't get it obviously.

The GM's reward is based solely on what character he wants to apply the credit to. If it's a level 1-2 character, then they get the lower tier rewards on the chronicle (gold and items/boons). If it's a level 3 character (assumption of a 1-5 scenario here), then the character gets OOT gold and lower tier boons/items. If it's a level 4-5 character, then they get the higher tier gold and items/boons.

Again, the table shouldn't have happened this way, but it sounds like didn't realize it wasn't supposed to be done that way. I'd just double check the Guide for APL calculations and subtier for future games. No harm, nor foul.

1/5

Ah, so we screwed it up.

What is the best way to proceed from here? Mark it as out of subteir for all involved and just not make that mistake again?

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Lune wrote:

Ah, so we screwed it up.

What is the best way to proceed from here? Mark it as out of subteir for all involved and just not make that mistake again?

^^

This.

Except for the GM, the GM gets rewards based on the level of the character the credit is being applied to. Their reward in just about every circumstance ignores what actually happened at the table (level, rewards found, boons gained, etc.)

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Well, then... thank you for the feedback all.

Where do I offer my tithe to the Paizo gods?

4/5 ****

Lune wrote:

Well, then... thank you for the feedback all.

Where do I offer my tithe to the Paizo gods?

Just GM another game :)

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Netherlands

Robert Hetherington wrote:
Lune wrote:

Well, then... thank you for the feedback all.

Where do I offer my tithe to the Paizo gods?

Just GM another game :)

Jup, just game more, have fun, and if you have questions, ask us, or look it up in the guide to organised play.

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