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You could, but it would be a bad idea. You'd be going on the Sprite's initiative (+3), and he'd be shooting for a d2-4 without any ranged combat feats. If that would double your combat effectiveness, then you miiiiight have some unrelated problems.
But no, there's nothing preventing you from using that character concept.
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You also have an issue getting gear for the sprite...in a home game it would be awesome but since there is no crafting you can't get a diminuative +1 composite longbow...unless it is on a chronicle.
I can't find a ruling to interpret that way.
PCs can always buy weapons and equipment off their
Chronicle sheets and the approved equipment lists for
their size so long as their size is Small or Medium. Thus,
if a Chronicle sheet offers a Small PC the opportunity
to purchase a +1 frost longsword, she can always buy the
1 frost longsword at size Small.
That takes a diminutive +1 composite longbow off of the always available list, but not afaik off the fame list.
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There are no rules, in any legal PFS source, for pricing out weapons of sizes smaller than Small or Larger than Large.
They were removed from the CRB after the transition from 3.5.
If you want any weapons Tiny or smaller, or Huge or larger, you'll need to find them on a Chronicle Sheet.
As of now I only know of one such Chronicle, and that only grants access to Huge-sized weapons.
Edit: and, before anyone offers the GMG as a solution, none of the items from the GameMastery Guide are legal, either.
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Resizing weapon:
A resizing weapon instantly shrinks or grows to suit the size of any creature that picks it up unless it is currently wielded by another creature. It reverts to its original size 1 round after it leaves its wielder’s possession.
Iron Lord's Transforming Silvers:
The metal filings within this pouch are a mixture of adamantine, cold iron, mithral, and steel. The filings are faintly magnetic and stick to ferrous metal but are easily wiped away. If a metal or partly metal weapon is covered in the entire contents of the pouch and placed in a hot forge overnight, it slowly grows or shrinks by one size category toward the size of the creature who applied the powder. For example, a Small +1 longsword coated with the filings by a Medium creature transforms into a Medium +1 longsword. This transformation is permanent. The pouch contains enough material to transform one weapon, regardless of size.
So maybe not on a bow in the case of the latter. But both these items are within page ranges stipulated as legal on the Additional Resources document.
Update: And as a sustainable daily cast, there's the 24-hour-duration "Resize Item" spell:
You alter a magic weapon or suit of armor to be up to two size categories larger or smaller. If the spell on a resized suit of armor ends while the armor is being worn, the armor falls off harmlessly. If the spell would cause an item to grow too large for the area containing it, its growth halts just before that point.
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There are no rules, in any legal PFS source, for pricing out weapons of sizes smaller than Small or Larger than Large.
Why do they need special prices?
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If you want any weapons Tiny or smaller, or Huge or larger, you'll need to find them on a Chronicle Sheet.
Why would they not be available with fame?
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There are no rules, in any legal PFS source, for pricing out weapons of sizes smaller than Small or Larger than Large.Why do they need special prices?
They need prices. There aren't any. No such items exist in print to buy. That's the problem. It's not an issue of Fame, it's an issue of not existing.
And this isn't the first time this discussion has come up, either.
But, after reading those two options above, it seems like there's now a way to achieve this.
I'll have to buy those sources.
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They need prices. There aren't any. No such items exist in print to buy. That's the problem. It's not an issue of Fame, it's an issue of not existing.What makes you think that different sized items have different prices?
This cost is the same for a Small or Medium version of the weapon. A Large version costs twice the listed price.
We can make reasonable inferences for costs/prices outside the explicitly-provided ones, but that perhaps won't fly for PFS organized play.
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It actually seems pretty clear, in BNW's favor.
I can't find anything in the CRB that says that weapons of extreme size have a different cost. So a Colossal or Diminutive longsword still costs 15 gp, logic nonwithstanding. ^_^
EDIT: Tarpeius is a better searcher than I. I defer to his wisdom. <3
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Developers have commented on this before.
In home games, inference is easy. Just utilize the price adjustments for unusual armor.
In PFS, such items must be in print.
But, after describing that weapon enchantment, I kind of want to do a similar build ^^.
Could you provide a link to these comments? It would be useful to reference when these debates happen. ^_^
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Eldritch Guardian archetype. Kitsune with Fox shape at level 3. Improved Familiar Sprite at 5. You lose your first fighter bonus feats and have assigned 2/3 feats by 5th level. I'm not sure gold cost of weapon and the special saddle for you. It's doable but might need to wait until 7th level to get improved familiar just for more archery feats and gold before hand.
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Could you provide a link to these comments? It would be useful to reference when these debates happen. ^_^
No reference really necessary, and it was nothing official, just history of why they were never printed.
If someone claims they bought a diminutive-sized weapon, just ask them what source they found them in.
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Could you provide a link to these comments? It would be useful to reference when these debates happen. ^_^No reference really necessary, and it was nothing official, just history of why they were never printed.
If someone claims they bought a diminutive-sized weapon, just ask them what source they found them in.
I'm not necessarily looking for anything official. ^_^
I just wanted to see those comments, in their original context/phrasing/etc. It's helpful when trying to learn about how the developers see the system.
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I think the main question here is if the Sprite already has the shortbow to begin with, and if so, can it be upgraded as normal. See: masterwork transformation and then pay for bigger bonuses.
I would think, in our adherence to by-the-book, that the sprite DOES have the shortbow (and a short sword!), but this raises another problem.
Ammunition.
Resizing arrows are your friend! Sadly, resize item only does one arrow at a time, and 25 gp a pop at that.
That said, seconding the notion of it using a lance and spirited charge instead. ^^
There's some debate about the ability to use a wand to charge up the Ioun Stone.
Depends on your definition of "cast".
Personally, I do not allow wands to do it, but a scroll (or actually casting the spell) works just fine.
Why would you not allow wands to do it? The first sentence of Spell Trigger is: Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it is even simpler. This means that they will have the same result. Therefore they can be used for the charging of an Ioun Stone interchangeably.
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Partially because of the rules for the Ring of Spell Storing, which the Ioun Stone references, and that scrolls are called out as compatible but wands are not.
Partially because of past debates I've had about Magi and Wand Wielder.
I used to be more on your side, but I think the arguments today don't add up to wands being compatible with Spell Storing items.
But I also recognize some GMs do, and some don't, so it's just a matter of table variance. At least disallowing it isn't crucial to anyone's build (or shouldn't be).
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There are no rules, in any legal PFS source, for pricing out weapons of sizes smaller than Small or Larger than Large.Why do they need special prices?They need prices. There aren't any. No such items exist in print to buy. That's the problem. It's not an issue of Fame, it's an issue of not existing.
This has been a topic that has interested me in the past and I do not think it has actually been formally cleared up.
The cost of weapons outside of the small-medium-large trilogy is easy to deduce by the established pattern - you just keep dividing or multiplying by two to find the new price. However, because the guide is not explicit, there are many who say this is "illegal". However (again), because the prices are easily extrapolated, are non-game breaking (as far as I can see), and even make reasonable sense within the fictional world of Golarion (why wouldn't a blacksmith take a contract to make a mundane huge longsword for four times the cost of a medium one?), there are others who say it is fine.
I understand the arguments and the firmly stated opinions for and against the purchase of strangely sized weapons (so - no need to pummel me with them), but I have never seen an 'official' ruling beyond forum opinion. If one were made that would be swell. As for now - expect table variation.
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There are no rules, in any legal PFS source, for pricing out weapons of sizes smaller than Small or Larger than Large.Why do they need special prices?They need prices. There aren't any. No such items exist in print to buy. That's the problem. It's not an issue of Fame, it's an issue of not existing.
This has been a topic that has interested me in the past and I do not think it has actually been formally cleared up.
The cost of weapons outside of the small-medium-large trilogy is easy to deduce by the established pattern - you just keep dividing or multiplying by two to find the new price. However, because the guide is not explicit, there are many who say this is "illegal". However (again), because the prices are easily extrapolated, are non-game breaking (as far as I can see), and even make reasonable sense within the fictional world of Golarion (why wouldn't a blacksmith take a contract to make a mundane huge longsword for four times the cost of a medium one?), there are others who say it is fine.
I understand the arguments and the firmly stated opinions for and against the purchase of strangely sized weapons (so - no need to pummel me with them), but I have never seen an 'official' ruling beyond forum opinion. If one were made that would be swell. As for now - expect table variation.
It's easy to extrapolate the cost of Mithral Celestial Armor, and yet that is not legal, either.
The "official" ruling you're looking for would be the lack of rules printed anywhere.
Until someone can find any, this shouldn't be up for table variation.
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The "official" ruling you're looking for would be the lack of rules printed anywhere.
As I said in my post - I understand the reasoning you are using for your opinion. I just do not find it persuasive. Repeating your opinion will not make it more persuasive. People are allowed to disagree.
Until there is a formal ruling on this particular matter, I consider it open.
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The "official" ruling you're looking for would be the lack of rules printed anywhere.
As I said in my post - I understand the reasoning you are using for your opinion. I just do not find it persuasive. Repeating your opinion will not make it more persuasive. People are allowed to disagree.
Until there is a formal ruling on this particular matter, I consider it open.
I am afraid Nefreet is correct on this. Here is the formal ruling. It is from the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, v6.
PCs can always buy weapons and equipment off their Chronicle sheets and the approved equipment lists for their size so long as their size is Small or Medium. Thus, if a Chronicle sheet offers a Small PC the opportunity to purchase a +1 frost longsword, she can always buy the 1 frost longsword at size Small. Items found while playing the scenario, however, are the size they are when they’re found. The size can only be adjusted up or down after the scenario is over, while the PCs are buying new gear.
(Highlight and emphasis in the last line, mine.)
There are no existing weapon pricing rules for sizes Tiny, Diminutive, Fine, Huge, Gargantuan, or Colossal weapons.
All we know is that Large weapons cost double the cost of Medium weapons, and Small and Medium weapons cost the same.
You want to extrapolate. So far the pattern of multipliers is ..., 1, 1, 2, ... Here's my extrapolation:
..., 1, 1, 2, .
You are right, there should be rules on this. There are not. For PFS we cannot make up the rules that we want to have. For our home games, we can. In my home game, Tiny and smaller weapons are available, for instance—they cost the same as Medium weapons, but any special materials used to create them cost less. I can't use those rules in PFS.