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Star Wars - Episodes 1-3 Fall of the Republic Fan Re-Edit
This guy took out everything he felt was not needed in Episodes 1-3 and turned it into a 3 1/2 hour single movie. Pretty cool.
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Cutting out the Yoda fight is Pants on head stupid.
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Cutting out the Yoda fight is Pants on head stupid.
I have heard very compelling arguments on why it should be cut. That being a Jedi was about more than wielding a lightsaber (in the original trilogy, Yoda never does, and he shows disdain for the weapon). Much of the original point of Yoda was to demonstrate this - he was small and venerable, yet he was also a great Jedi master and a figure for Luke to look up to, Figuratively, of course.
Yoda is a badass in that scene, sure, and he is so good that despite his small size he manages to go toe to toe with Duko. But, as Red Letter Media pointed out, the galaxy is strange and full of stuff. What if Yoda had faced a monster 15 feet tall with a hundred arms and laser cannons for eyes? with how hard he had to work just to keep up with Duko, he'd stand no chance in such circumstances. So gone is the whole "your size doesn't matter" thing for The Empire Strikes Back. Gone is the concept that one does not need to be a sword fighter to be a Jedi, and gone is much of the mystery and charm of the Yoda character as it was originally conceived.
Yoda fighting was one of the coolest things to watch in the new trilogy. But was it worth it? Is sacrificing important story elements for a *really* cool fight scene a good idea?
I'm not entirely sure, myself. But I definitely don't think either of the options is stupid.
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Cutting out the Yoda fight is Pants on head stupid.
Ahhh! Get 'em off get 'em off I can't see anything and they smell like piss! Why! Why did I put someone else's pants on my head!
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Cutting out the Yoda fight is Pants on head stupid.I have heard very compelling arguments on why it should be cut. That being a Jedi was about more than wielding a lightsaber (in the original trilogy, Yoda never does, and he shows disdain for the weapon). Much of the original point of Yoda was to demonstrate this - he was small and venerable, yet he was also a great Jedi master and a figure for Luke to look up to, Figuratively, of course.
Yoda is a badass in that scene, sure, and he is so good that despite his small size he manages to go toe to toe with Duko. But, as Red Letter Media pointed out, the galaxy is strange and full of stuff. What if Yoda had faced a monster 15 feet tall with a hundred arms and laser cannons for eyes? with how hard he had to work just to keep up with Duko, he'd stand no chance in such circumstances. So gone is the whole "your size doesn't matter" thing for The Empire Strikes Back. Gone is the concept that one does not need to be a sword fighter to be a Jedi, and gone is much of the mystery and charm of the Yoda character as it was originally conceived.
Yoda fighting was one of the coolest things to watch in the new trilogy. But was it worth it? Is sacrificing important story elements for a *really* cool fight scene a good idea?
I'm not entirely sure, myself. But I definitely don't think either of the options is stupid.
didn't watch the clone wars did we?
Part of Yodas badassness is that he has multiple ways to fight. And he is proficient in all of them. Is he an unstoppable kill factory? No. If he knew he was about to die, he would embrace that possibility. But he wouldn't knuckle under, he would find a way to fight that worked for him. note that he brought backup in attack of the clones at first, and even in the battle itself was trying to subdue and capture dooku and the others, not kill them. He also was dueling with the force at first, not simply slashing away. His words were "much to learn, you still have," not "die while wetting yourself, you will." He is a masterful combatant in many areas, not an executioner or a weakling.
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I tried watching the first one with my daughter when she was 5, after a few minutes of Jar-Jar, she turned to me, clearly irritated "Is he in the whole movie?" "yes" *sigh* "just shut it off, i've seen enough" to this day, she has only seen the Family Guy and Robot Chicken Star Wars:-p
its pretty funny when her cousins come over to play Star Wars (their dad is a huge huge star wars fanboy) and while they're quoting the real star wars she's quoting the family guy versions:-p
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Watching this just makes me realize how awful the prequels were on so many levels, how dated the much-vaunted digital effects of Lucas are, and that even condensing these and chopping out some of the more awful bits can't really salvage them. :(
(Full disclosure: I only made it through the edited Phantom Menace before stopping.)
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Cutting out the Yoda fight is Pants on head stupid.I have heard very compelling arguments on why it should be cut. That being a Jedi was about more than wielding a lightsaber (in the original trilogy, Yoda never does, and he shows disdain for the weapon). Much of the original point of Yoda was to demonstrate this - he was small and venerable, yet he was also a great Jedi master and a figure for Luke to look up to, Figuratively, of course.
Yoda is a badass in that scene, sure, and he is so good that despite his small size he manages to go toe to toe with Duko. But, as Red Letter Media pointed out, the galaxy is strange and full of stuff. What if Yoda had faced a monster 15 feet tall with a hundred arms and laser cannons for eyes? with how hard he had to work just to keep up with Duko, he'd stand no chance in such circumstances. So gone is the whole "your size doesn't matter" thing for The Empire Strikes Back. Gone is the concept that one does not need to be a sword fighter to be a Jedi, and gone is much of the mystery and charm of the Yoda character as it was originally conceived.
Yoda fighting was one of the coolest things to watch in the new trilogy. But was it worth it? Is sacrificing important story elements for a *really* cool fight scene a good idea?
I'm not entirely sure, myself. But I definitely don't think either of the options is stupid.
didn't watch the clone wars did we?
Part of Yodas badassness is that he has multiple ways to fight. And he is proficient in all of them. Is he an unstoppable kill factory? No. If he knew he was about to die, he would embrace that possibility. But he wouldn't knuckle under, he would find a way to fight that worked for him. note that he brought backup in attack of the clones at first, and even in the battle itself was trying to subdue and capture dooku and the others, not kill them. He also was dueling with the force at first, not simply slashing away. His words were "much to learn, you still...
I have watched the Clone Wars (I liked it, which means you and I can put aside our weapons for once), but that doesn't really change my mind on the subject of Yoda using a lightsaber. It has a symbolic meaning that both he and the emperor (you know, the really advanced and powerful force users from the original trilogy) both viewed the weapons as toys. It means that being a Jedi was about much more than fighting. The Yoda of The Clone Wars is a compromise - a cool character that balanced elements from the new trilogy Yoda and the original trilogy Yoda. Yet I think that the original trilogy version is more unique and interesting, as are the implications the character had about the force and jedais in general.
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Cutting out the Yoda fight is Pants on head stupid.I have heard very compelling arguments on why it should be cut. That being a Jedi was about more than wielding a lightsaber (in the original trilogy, Yoda never does, and he shows disdain for the weapon). Much of the original point of Yoda was to demonstrate this - he was small and venerable, yet he was also a great Jedi master and a figure for Luke to look up to, Figuratively, of course.
Yoda is a badass in that scene, sure, and he is so good that despite his small size he manages to go toe to toe with Duko. But, as Red Letter Media pointed out, the galaxy is strange and full of stuff. What if Yoda had faced a monster 15 feet tall with a hundred arms and laser cannons for eyes? with how hard he had to work just to keep up with Duko, he'd stand no chance in such circumstances. So gone is the whole "your size doesn't matter" thing for The Empire Strikes Back. Gone is the concept that one does not need to be a sword fighter to be a Jedi, and gone is much of the mystery and charm of the Yoda character as it was originally conceived.
Yoda fighting was one of the coolest things to watch in the new trilogy. But was it worth it? Is sacrificing important story elements for a *really* cool fight scene a good idea?
I'm not entirely sure, myself. But I definitely don't think either of the options is stupid.
RLM's argument for cutting Yoda's lightsaber fighting out was completely on point in my opinion. I felt like the moment he picked up a lightsaber they were cheapening his character. The force battle in principle was more acceptable, but in practice they just screwed it up with Yoda's expressions, reactions, and commentaries.
What the hell happened to "a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never attack"? It's like George had no idea what made the character interesting or compelling, and completely threw away everything that came before.
If I had my way Yoda would never pick up a lightsaber or fight at all. Baring that, he shouldn't suddenly become a spry ninja jumping around. He should be a force wizard, and a defensive one. He should make any attacker into water that flows around him, and he should not be attacking at all under any circumstances. His weapons are his words, and you can make him great and terrifying even with Dooku without him ever jumping or spinning, or even putting down his cane.
If you really want a confrontation with Dooku have Yoda interrupt him, shielding Obi-wan / Anakin, then try to talk Dooku down. Show his words having an effect, and Dooku wavering. Put some time into the writing here. Not just "Much to learn you have my apprentice" and other generic crap you'd expect an anime character to spout off. Yoda is wise. Show it. At the last moment let Dooku resist Yoda's council. If he attacks let Yoda deflect them. Don't ever show Yoda on the attack. Make him such an intimidating force that he never has to. As Dooku flees show him shaken up, terrified even by the encounter. This is what a dark side adept feels when confronted by a true master of the force. His anger and power are suffocated by the fear inherent to the dark side. His very powers waver.
But that's just me.
Very well said indeed Peter. Just firing up the time machine to get you to Lucas' office in time for the scriptwriting session...
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I see the Yoda/Dooku fight differently.
When Yoda arrives, he tries talking to Dooku into giving up his path, but he won't listen.
Dooku uses the Force to attack Yoda. He defends himself but doesn't use the Force to attack (as he told Luke in Empire). Again he tries to talk Dooku into surrendering, but again he will not listen. (He is a Sith, and they look down on Jedi.)
Dooku then pulls out his lightsaber, forcing Yoda to do the same. Dooku tries to kill Yoda, but he only defends himself. Yoda wears Dooku down, hoping to subdue him. When Dooku realizes he cannot win, he uses the force to bring down the column on top of Obi Wan and Anikin, knowing Yoda will stop fighting him to save his friends.
Instead of attacking Yoda while he is distracted he instead flees for his life. He knows Yoda is more powerful and could easily defend himself while saving the others.
The Yoda/Palpatine fight was the last chance the Jedi had to defeat the Sith. It was a necessary fight, but Yoda was not used to attacking like Palpatine was, thus he was at a disadvantage.
20 years of comtemplating on Dagobah after the death of the Jedi has change Yoda's outlook. Also, the trainging Luke received was a scaled back version, years of training pared down into a few months. Yoda may also have skewed the philosaphy after what happened. Both he and Obi Wan say Luke must defeat Vader and Obi Wan dismisses that there is still good in him.
I see the Yoda/Dooku fight differently.
When Yoda arrives, he tries talking to Dooku into giving up his path, but he won't listen.
Dooku uses the Force to attack Yoda. He defends himself but doesn't use the Force to attack (as he told Luke in Empire). Again he tries to talk Dooku into surrendering, but again he will not listen. (He is a Sith, and they look down on Jedi.)
Dooku then pulls out his lightsaber, forcing Yoda to do the same. Dooku tries to kill Yoda, but he only defends himself. Yoda wears Dooku down, hoping to subdue him. When Dooku realizes he cannot win, he uses the force to bring down the column on top of Obi Wan and Anikin, knowing Yoda will stop fighting him to save his friends.
Instead of attacking Yoda while he is distracted he instead flees for his life. He knows Yoda is more powerful and could easily defend himself while saving the others.
The Yoda/Palpatine fight was the last chance the Jedi had to defeat the Sith. It was a necessary fight, but Yoda was not used to attacking like Palpatine was, thus he was at a disadvantage.
20 years of comtemplating on Dagobah after the death of the Jedi has change Yoda's outlook. Also, the trainging Luke received was a scaled back version, years of training pared down into a few months. Yoda may also have skewed the philosaphy after what happened. Both he and Obi Wan say Luke must defeat Vader and Obi Wan dismisses that there is still good in him.
Truth.
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Seems you were successful Freehold DM. ;)
Not a fan of fan re-edits. Make your own flick. We don't need armchair directors that aren't creating their own works. Get into the grind and see what it's like to bring life to something from the blank page.
The only time I like fan-edits is when they add deleted scenes or combine several movies into one (without cutting out scenes) ala The Evil Dead Trilogy or Halloween: Hell and Back: The Complete Story of the Night He Came Home (combining Halloween with Halloween II and their respective TV cuts).
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Well to be homest, I think large, large chunks of romance in Episode 2 were not in keeping with Eps 4/5/6 space opera milieu...so I'm happy for someone to take the time to cut it down and bundle it all together...
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watched the first 10 minutes and could not take any more. It looked like they cut a few seconds here and there as well that made the entire thing seem overly choppy ... like a bad edited for TV attempt.
DISCLAIMER: Of course, I was also not the biggest fan of Ep 1-3, so that may also play into it.