Thod Goblin Squad Member |
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Savage Grace wrote:Join TSV?My neighbors are willing to deem PvE to be a hostile act and try to punish entire settlements for someone's PvE.
Yet somehow their PvE-ers are all poor innocent "non-combatants" who shouldn't be touched.
How can *I* become an untouchable PvE-er?
Not fair - I was about to post Join EL but got nijaed
Savage Grace |
Savage Grace wrote:Join TSV?My neighbors are willing to deem PvE to be a hostile act and try to punish entire settlements for someone's PvE.
Yet somehow their PvE-ers are all poor innocent "non-combatants" who shouldn't be touched.
How can *I* become an untouchable PvE-er?
That would only make me RHETORICALLY untouchable. :-)
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Steelwing wrote:Not fair - I was about to post Join EL but got nijaedSavage Grace wrote:Join TSV?My neighbors are willing to deem PvE to be a hostile act and try to punish entire settlements for someone's PvE.
Yet somehow their PvE-ers are all poor innocent "non-combatants" who shouldn't be touched.
How can *I* become an untouchable PvE-er?
Probably a better suggestion.
Being a TSV PvE-er is probably the most hazardous activity in PFO.
DeciusBrutus Goblinworks Executive Founder |
My neighbors are willing to deem PvE to be a hostile act and try to punish entire settlements for someone's PvE.
Yet somehow their PvE-ers are all poor innocent "non-combatants" who shouldn't be touched.
How can *I* become an untouchable PvE-er?
Operate in an unclaimed area or area in which you have permission to operate in.
Bluddwolf Goblin Squad Member |
Bluddwolf Goblin Squad Member |
PvE isn't the hostile act as I see it.
You might want to run that by Nihimon and Decious, they disagree. Decious might actually declare your statement a Gross Conceptual Error.
AGC placed a small holding to make the harvesting of an escalation hex more efficient. This act was seen as hostile (PVP) and was retaliated with the taking of Towers from Golgotha / KBerz / Pax (whatever).
Since there is no Sovereignty System in place, is the server population to accept what TSV declares as being "Their Sovereignty"?
Capitalocracy Goblin Squad Member |
To Bluddwolf's point, I don't think we need or will pay much attention to any kind of game systems that "back" people's claims. That's part of the sandbox nature of the game: TSV or Golgotha or whoever says this is their land and these are their rules, everyone else is free to accept or ignore that, TSV or Golgotha is free to impose any kinds of consequences for those actions, and what we can all do is sit around and say how we feel about it, which is what we're doing on the forums today. Any systems that enter into the game to keep track of those claims will not stop us from doing this.
To the original post, I believe that there is such a thing as a non-combatant. In real life this exists, and in this game this will also exist. You can say that killing a farmer who grows the food that feeds a nation you're at war with is an act meant to cripple them logistically and a valid attack against a combatant, but that puts you squarely on the evil side of the spectrum in my real-life opinion. Anyone can attack anyone in PFO, it's an open-PVP game, yes, but on a metagame level, that does not make everyone a combatant. Anyone can attack anyone else in real life as well, that doesn't make them all combatants. In PFO, I think it's fair to say there are non-combatants and people who do not willingly engage in PVP. They shouldn't be playing this game if they expect to be immune from PVP, but that doesn't change the fact that the characters they are playing are non-combatants. Attacking them is not an act I would refer to as "good"... though of course, "good" isn't the alignment Golgotha is playing.
V'rel Vusoryn Goblin Squad Member |
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V'rel Vusoryn wrote:PvE isn't the hostile act as I see it.You might want to run that by Nihimon and Decious, they disagree. Decious might actually declare your statement a Gross Conceptual Error.
AGC placed a small holding to make the harvesting of an escalation hex more efficient. This act was seen as hostile (PVP) and was retaliated with the taking of Towers from Golgotha / KBerz / Pax (whatever).
Since there is no Sovereignty System in place, is the server population to accept what TSV declares as being "Their Sovereignty"?
I don't need to run anything by them. It may shock you but there are more folks in TSV that have a say than the two of your ire. I was there the night AGC was chased out and gave the weapons free for Phaeros members as well as being there the next night to cap that tower.
Trust me, I know more about this than you do as I'm actually there taking part in it. I know that snippet fits your agenda, but the full context of the quote still stands and reflects my stance.
Atheory Goblin Squad Member |