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I'm playing a Wonder Woman build and I have of course been using the lasso. I recently found the strangler feat in the monster codex, and that' it is legal in society play! My confusion is from the mention of beating someones combat manuvers defense by five or more. My understanding of how the lasso works is I hit the targets touch armour class and they gain the entangled condition. When would ever I be rolling against them to bring cmd into the fray? You can; cut out ac2 10hp, dc15 escape artist, dc23 str check. As listed in the item description.
Could you name the feat? That would help.
A lasso works like a net.
a net says
If you control the trailing rope by succeeding on an opposed Strength check while holding it, the entangled creature can move only within the limits that the rope allows. If the entangled creature attempts to cast a spell, it must make a concentration check with a DC of 15 + the spell's level or be unable to cast the spell.
Thats the only thing i can think of without knowing the feat.
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Strangler
You can choke foes with a lasso.
Prerequisites: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (lasso), Weapon Focus (lasso).
Benefit: When you successfully entangle a creature with a lasso and beat the target's CMD by 5 or more, the target cannot speak above a whisper and must succeed at a concentration check (DC = 20 + your CMB + the spell level) to cast a spell with a verbal component, use a command word item, or use any magic requiring speech. Additionally, the DC of an Escape Artist check to slip free of a lasso you are using equals 15 or your CMD, whichever is higher.
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I would think it means that your lasso attack roll, if you succeed on the attack, would then be checked against the target's CMD to see if you succeeded well enough to use the Strangler effects on them, as well.
Given the difference likely between Touch AC and CMD, at higher levels, I would suspect that getting the strangle would be a rare event, compared to how often you get the entangled condition.
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50 shades of red white and blue?
Given that the DC is "why not just make it impossible" levels of ridiculous, you can just say she's tying the persons mouth shut rather than choking them.
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This feat is not well-designed vis-a-vis the existing rules for a lasso (and net).
First, as has been noted, there is no CMB check to entangle with a lasso (via the rules for a net).
Second, there is already a DC to cast any spell while entangled by a lasso. So does this feat now cause the target to make two different checks to cast spells with verbal components?
Since it's legal for PFS play, we need some of clarification for this feat.
Possibly, but PFS tries not to make rules clarifications for non pfs rulings.
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The feat would make it even harder to cast spells, use command word items, or other such actions requiring speaking. As to the use of a strangler feat on a Wonder Woman character...come on it's like the only lasso specific feat! Honestly I would think at any level, using what I rolled for their touch ac had to be applied to their cmd? I'd never affect certain people.
The feat would make it even harder to cast spells, use command word items, or other such actions requiring speaking. As to the use of a strangler feat on a Wonder Woman character...come on it's like the only lasso specific feat! Honestly I would think at any level, using what I rolled for their touch ac had to be applied to their cmd? I'd never affect certain people.
If I was going to change anything written via RAI I would say that the opposed strength check to keep someone from moving is a combat manuver check, and that in the conversion from 3.5 to pathfinder this item got overlooked when they changed all of the opposed checks into CMB vs CMD checks.
So does this feat now cause the target to make two different checks to cast spells with verbal components
One check is more than enough. Its higher than the regular entangled dc and high enough that they need a nat 20 to make the check if they can even make it at all.