Interaction between Vindictive Harpoon and Bloodbug


Rules Questions and Gameplay Discussion


A situation came up during our game tonight, and we wanted confirmation as to the proper interpretation on how to resolve it.

Vindictive Harpon states that "if you fail the check to defeat a monster", you replace the monster on top of the location where it came from.

Bloodbug states that "if it is undefeated, it gets displayed next to your deck", and slowly erodes it by forcing you to make a Constitution/Fortitude at the begninning of your turn or else bury a card.

The obvious question is: which effect will get priority?

After much discussion, we finally decided that the Harpoon triggers first because of its wording. The sequence would go like this:

- Roll the dice and add any relevant bonuses
- Tally the results
- Check to see if it meets or exceed the combat value of the monster. If the tally result is insufficient, then Harpoon triggers
- Undefeated effects trigger if the card is still

Any official confirmation for this would be appreciated!

Sovereign Court

Boons and banes fall in the same spot in the card hierarchy. When you have multiple effects that would have equal timing, you choose.


Absolutely.


Personally, I think I'd display the blood bug. The power on the harpoon seems like shorthand for "instead of shuffling it into the location" which you wouldn't do with the blood bug. But, rules wise, I don't think I can make an argument for that, so if we played together and you put it on top of location deck, I wouldn't disagree.


Agreed. Typical case where the "by the book" is different than the thematicaly fun. This said, it gives an interestning additional twist to the Harpoon's power (and not unbalancing because only happening vs very few monsters) ... and that is fun too.

Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Designer

We'll take a look at this when we get past the last stages of Wrath.


Hawkmoon, but so technically does the Bloodbug. I mean, if you wanted to play either way I'd probably be fine with it, but if I were going with "realism" (that doesn't exist in the game, not in the RPG nor the PACG) I'd probably display it.

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