Eidolon and Beastiary Feats

[Dafydd]

Basically, as title says. Can the Eidolon take Beastiary Feats?

Additional Resources wrote:

Feats: none of the feats are legal for play for PCs, animal companions, or familiars unless specifically granted by another legal source

By that, I would assume yes, as the ban says only PCs, animals and familiars.

[Dhenn]

By strict rules as written, I suppose you technically can. However, it seems pretty likely that if basically every other creature fielded by PFS characters was excluded from taking these feats, failing to explicitly exclude the eidolon from them as well was an oversight. Perhaps worth being included in the next AR update.

[David_Bross]

Additional resources states what is legal. Unless something lead you to believe feats were legal, they are not, despite a statement about them not being legal explicitly being there.

[Illeist]

Agreed. They aren't explicitly forbidden, but they also aren't explicitly allowed.

[Dafydd]

You would think, if the eidolon could not take em, the oversight would have been caught in the 4 years since the APG was released.

However, I do understand the reasoning, "if everyone else can not take it, why does the eidolon get special treatment." That said, AC "can" take some of the feats:

Quote:

Animal companions can select from the following feats:

Acrobatic, Agile Maneuvers, Armor Proficiency (light, medium, and heavy), Athletic, Blind-Fight, Combat Reflexes, Diehard, Dodge, Endurance, Great Fortitude, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Initiative, Improved Natural Armor, Improved Natural Attack, Improved Overrun, Intimidating Prowess, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Mobility, Power Attack, Run, Skill Focus, Spring Attack, Stealthy, Toughness, Weapon Finesse, and Weapon Focus.

[Nefreet]

Those select feats are granted by a legal source for Animal Companions (the CRB).

Likewise, if the APG listed them as legal for Eidolons, then they would be legal.

But if the only source you can find is the Bestiary, then they're not legal.

[Dafydd]

I guess my problem here is the disconnect between how these work and how they are treated as working.

The Beastiary calls each of the feats Monster Feats. An Eidolon, for all its fluff and flavor, IS a monster. More, its an intelligent monster. Animal companions get a list of feats they can take, because they have limited intelligence. Eidolon are on average, as smart as a normal human.

Guess I will just have to take this argument to GM and hope it works.

APG says the Eidolon may take any feat it meets the pre reqs for.
Additional Resources does not say Eidolons are restricted in feats.

[Jeff Merola]

Dafydd, the AR page does say they are restricted because it doesn't list that section of the book as legal. Yes, it doesn't explicitly call out out Eidolons, but it actually needs to do that to make it legal for them to pick the feats.

[Nefreet]

Dafydd wrote:

Guess I will just have to take this argument to GM and hope it works.

Sometimes (and even quite often) there is legitimate ambiguity over a rules interpretation, and table variation becomes the result.

This is not one of those circumstances.

Yes, the Eidolon is intelligent. Some may even call it a "monster" (though that term isn't defined within Pathfinder). But neither of those distinctions qualify it for Bestiary feats in PFS.

What matters, according to the Additional Resources document, is that they are granted by another legal source (like the CRB granting Animal Companions access to a couple, or a Natural Attack style Ranger gaining access to a couple).

As far as I am aware, no other source grants Eidolons access to any of those feats. So, you cannot have your Eidolon take any of those feats.

[Jeffrey Fox]

Dafydd wrote:

Basically, as title says. Can the Eidolon take Beastiary Feats?

Additional Resources wrote:

Feats: none of the feats are legal for play for PCs, animal companions, or familiars unless specifically granted by another legal source

By that, I would assume yes, as the ban says only PCs, animals and familiars.

The Bestiary does not contain a note that says the whole book is legal, so by default everything is illegal unless it specifically says it's allowed.

What you are reading as a ban for just PCs, Animal Companions, and Familiars is actually what allows those options to take Bestiary feats if another source allows them to take those feats.

Since Eidolons are not on that list, they can not under any circumstances take bestiary feats, even if another source says they can.