Martial Versatility, Weapon Focus, and Slashing Grace! Oh my!


Rules Questions


Pahlok wrote:

So, I got into a pretty heated argument with a guy here about the functionality of Martial Versatility. He seems convinced that you need the prerequisites for the feat for the weapons that Martial Versatility adds. That is not the case, however, and even though I know he is wronger than wrong, I want it clarified that he is wrong so he, and anyone like him, knows just how wrong they are.

How he thinks it works, using Weapon Focus as an example: You have Weapon Focus (Longsword) and you take Martial Versatility (Weapon Focus). He believes you do not benefit from Weapon Focus for weapons in the Heavy Blades category that you are not proficient with, as Weapon Focus has the prerequisite of being proficient with the weapon.

How it actually works:
You gain the benefits of Weapon Focus with all Heavy Blades, regardless of proficiency.

He doesn't seem to understand that prerequisites are only relevant for OBTAINING a feat, and not for USING a feat. I'd like to clear it up for anyone else who may believe the same.

Give him an example of when you lose the Prerequisites for a feat.

Best example is something with an ability score prerequisite, like Two-Weapon Fighting. If at any point your DEX drops below the prereq, you lose the benefits of that feat, but you still have the feat, you don't lose it then have to re take it the next time you gain a feat.

Another example is something like Run, that requires you don't wear armor. If you put on armor, you still have the feat, you just can't use it.

Lantern Lodge

Aw, don't go and delete your posts just because you were wrong. That's not cool, OP.

Your friend deserves to know s/he was right.


I told them, I admitted it, and I was just trying to get it off the forums. What more do you want?


To not try to "get it off the forums" for no reason and cause a problem like this to happen?


The "reason" is is making posts on this thread and bumping it up when it's been resolved when there are other relevant discussions.

I will wholeheartedly admit that I am an egotistical narcissistic megalomanic manchild with an inferiority complex, and that I am wrong often. If you feel the need to remind me of these facts, please discuss it with me via PM.

Request to lock thread, please.

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