I was surfing the ogc the other day looking for some good summoning feats when I came across the feat harrowed summoning. I searched the forums to see what public opinion was but couldn't find any threads about so I decided to make my own.
So what do you think of it? Is it worth the two feat cost? Did you even know it existed? Let your opinion be heard!
The feat in question http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/harrowed-summoning
First off, the buggers a harrow deck?
Also, what is your class and race?
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I like it, might try it at some point.
Note though that it is essentially Augmented Summoning, but more random.
AS: +4 enhancement to STR and CON
HS: +4 enhancement to two random ability scores OR +6 to one randomly (~18% chance); multiply duration by either .5 (~10% chance), 1 (~80%), or 2 (~10%).
Depending on your preferred summons, this may prove to be a boon or a hindrance. It is good to note though that Harrowed is a rather nifty feat.
Dukeh555
#1 don't know what your first question is exactly could you explain?
#2 I'm a wyvaran druid (saurian shaman archetype).
Dieben, these where my thoughts as well.
Don't know what a harrow deck is, or their effects.
Ah I see, a harrow deck is a deck of fortune telling cards they are used for the spell harrowing which gives bonuses (or penalties) based on the cards drawn. There was a player companion book released recently called harrow hand book which has a bunch more uses for them, like using one for summoning (harrowed summon).
Hello, I'm making a Story Summoner (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner/archetypes/paizo-sum moner-archetypes/story-summoner-summoner-archetype/)
and he's all about Harrow, so Obviously, I'm taking that feat. With the story summoner Second level ability, I can add a simple template to my summons (entropic, resolute, celestial or fiendish). My question was, for the enlarge (or shorten) duration that must match the alignement, is it the alignement before or after that?
Same goes with the "animals" that are normally summon with celestial/fiendish template and are said to have my Alignement. ( I'm Chaotic Neutral) To further that to an extend, If I summon a Fiendish Resolute Wolf, is His alignement N ( as the wolf), CN (as me), LE ( as the templates) or I just can't (because he'll end up Lawfull even tho the lvl 2 gimmick says: "This ability allows a story summoner to summon and command creatures normally prohibited by their alignment.")
Bonus questions, what would you say to a Wolf ( naturally with the celestial template because Summon Monster) to wich I add fiendish? I know it sound unnatural and weird but nowhere in the books can I find it to be illegal ( nor legal, I must say ;) )
Thanks for the answers/opinions on all that
Hello, I'm making a Story Summoner (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner/archetypes/paizo-sum moner-archetypes/story-summoner-summoner-archetype/)
and he's all about Harrow, so Obviously, I'm taking that feat. With the story summoner Second level ability, I can add a simple template to my summons (entropic, resolute, celestial or fiendish). My question was, for the enlarge (or shorten) duration that must match the alignement, is it the alignement before or after that?Same goes with the "animals" that are normally summon with celestial/fiendish template and are said to have my Alignement. ( I'm Chaotic Neutral) To further that to an extend, If I summon a Fiendish Resolute Wolf, is His alignement N ( as the wolf), CN (as me), LE ( as the templates) or I just can't (because he'll end up Lawfull even tho the lvl 2 gimmick says: "This ability allows a story summoner to summon and command creatures normally prohibited by their alignment.")
Bonus questions, what would you say to a Wolf ( naturally with the celestial template because Summon Monster) to wich I add fiendish? I know it sound unnatural and weird but nowhere in the books can I find it to be illegal ( nor legal, I must say ;) )
Thanks for the answers/opinions on all that
From my reading those templates do not change the alignment of standard animal summons. They are your alignment. The only things with a different alignment are where it is listed
I would suggest that the arcana changes the template already on a summoner not add to it. So you are CN so summon an entropic creature. You draw a good card and it becomes celestial. Not entropic celestial
It is not "naturally the Celestial template". The template depends on your alignment
It also seems like you could add a template to something like a demon or an elemental. But that is not clear and could result in weird things like a celestial demon. So maybe that is not the intent
1. Interesting. It is like a random augmented summoning.
2. It is worth a single feat. Augmented summoning always boosts the same two stats, for the same amount. Harrowed summoning could end up giving you a smart elemental for half as long a time period as you could have a normal one, so the potential drawbacks outweigh the advantage. It's not exactly "Epic augmented summoning" (a 3rd party epic level feat that gives a +12 bonus to Con and Str of your summoned creatures. Granted, they kind of need the boost when PCs are 40th level).
It is not "naturally the Celestial template". The template depends on your alignmentI just can't find where you readed that, the summon monster spell says:
Creatures on Table: Summon Monster marked with an “*” are summoned with the celestial template, if you are good, and the fiendish template, if you are evil. If you are neutral, you may choose which template to apply to the creature.
Except if their is an Errata, or wathever they called it in Pathfinder, on it, I would like to know where to find it.
I have played a number of Master Summoners and never took Harrowed Summons.
It does not stack with Superior Summons, on the same attribute that is, as they both give and enhancement bonus. I always thought Superior Summons more reliable and better.
Of course, if you have Harrowed anyway, or are playing a Story Summoner, different considerations may well apply.
I always thoughtSuperiorAugment Summons more reliable and better.
I know it is normally better and permit you to qualifi for Superior summoning, wich is awsome but, as you said:
Of course, if you have Harrowed anyway, or are playing a Story Summoner, different considerations may well apply.
It is more thematic for me to choose that feat over the other. And in some really particular case, say you summon a pixie, you'll be way more thanksfull for an agile and charismatic one than a "strong and bulky" ish one. It could happen, it most certainly won't but it could.