Mounted archer, attacks of opportunity.


Rules Questions


If I am riding my wolf and shoot my bow do I provoke an attack of opportunity? Or will riding my wolf prevent that because he can bite them?

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Rylar wrote:
If I am riding my wolf and shoot my bow do I provoke an attack of opportunity? Or will riding my wolf prevent that because he can bite them?

it's going to depend a bit. Generally, you will still provoke and AoO for firing in melee, the fact that you can make a melee attack does not remove the AoO for making a ranged attack.

However, when you make a ranged attack from the back of a moving mount you resolve your attacks from the middle of the movement, so if your mount is charging the enemy, you will have resolved the attacks before the mount reaches your target and don't have to worry about AoO's.

The only time this should really be an issue is if you are trying to fire while your mount is actively full-attacking an enemy or if your mount is using Spring Attack and the targeted enemy just happens to be at the exact middle of your intended movement (or within reach of that point).

In either case, you make the attack roll when your mount has completed half its movement. You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving.

Scarab Sages

If you are in a threatened area and make a bow attack without point blank master, you provoke an AoO. Being Mounted does not change that, but it does make it easier to not be threatened when you shoot.

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Imbicatus wrote:
If you are in a threatened area and make a bow attack without point blank master, you provoke an AoO. Being Mounted does not change that, but it does make it easier to not be threatened when you shoot.

This. The big benefit to mounted combat is that you generally don't have to close to melee range, intentionally or unintentionally. Mounted archers are typically better served looking for mounts with high mobility rather than mounts who they can use in melee, except as a back-up maneuver. At least until they pick up PBM or a similar ability.


So, if he is charging, no. But, standing at the target already yes. If that correct?

I think I remember something else that prevents the attack of opportunity, like having an unarmed strike, but I can't find it in the rules.

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Rylar wrote:

So, if he is charging, no. But, standing at the target already yes. If that correct?

I think I remember something else that prevents the attack of opportunity, like having an unarmed strike, but I can't find it in the rules.

Yeah, no such luck. Firing a ranged weapon in melee always provokes unless you have a feat or ability that says otherwise, regardless of whether you have the ability to threaten with a melee weapon.

If you want to do this combo, I'd suggest having your wolf take Spring Attack and try to focus on having him dart at enemies that are closer to one side of his movement than the other. For example, your wolf probably has around a 50 foot move speed, so having dart at an enemy that's 30-40 feet away should allow you to resolve your ranged full attack, have the wolf dart in to bite and trip, and then move another 10 feet back out of melee. If he succeeds on the trip, odds are good the enemy won't be able to do more than close the gap with you on your turn, so then you just have the wolf withdraw and take another full attack, which won't provoke, and try to set yourself up for another Spring Attack on the following round if your enemy is still alive andkicking. The situations you want to avoid are either attacking in a round where your mount is full attacking and isn't giving you room to fire, finding yourself in a position where the halfway point of your movement is in a threatened area.

Sczarni

Ssalarn wrote:
Firing a ranged weapon in melee always provokes unless you have a feat or ability that says otherwise, regardless of whether you have the ability to threaten with a melee weapon.

+1

Scarab Sages

Usually the feat that allows you not to provoke is Point Blank Master, which you can qualify from Fighter 4, Ranger 6, or Zen Archer 3.

Grand Lodge

Isn't there something about being able to determine which of the 4 squares of your Large size mount you are in?

Won't apply to a wolf, usually, but on a Large or lerger mount, I think you can specify that you are on one of the squares that is non-adjacent.

And I could be thinking of something from a different version of D&D for that one.

Grand Lodge

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kinevon wrote:
Isn't there something about being able to determine which of the 4 squares of your Large size mount you are in?

You are in all 4 squares (top of page 202, CRB).


Wolf is large at 7...

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