What did you mean by " i don't get to see russian military in action.
Sad,very sad. "?
Deployment,logistics,C3,reliability of new tech,and a few of my favorite units.
So,referendum!
Results are REMARKABLY similar to Crimean.75+% turnout,95% in favor.
In Krasnoarmeysk turnout is lower,because National Guard.
Now it's time for El Presidente to make his next move.
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What exactly are you sad about?That i don't get to see russian military in action,duh.
Fight between russian and ukrainian military isn't possible.
So you are sad you don't get to see people getting killed. You really are a pathetic individual.
So you are sad you don't get to see people getting killed.
I saw plenty of people killed in Odessa and Mariupol,thanks.
Deployment,logistics,C3,reliability of new tech,and a few of my favorite units.
[Stifles Hee hee!]
Where's that emperor from?
[Stifles Hee hee!]
Where's that emperor from?
I love this SPetsnaz bs because the Ulrainians have their own Spetsnaz too. Their gonna special-op the hell out of each other.
I love this SPetsnaz bs because the Ulrainians have their own Spetsnaz too.
Had.
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So you are sad you don't get to see people getting killed.
Deployment,logistics,C3,reliability of new tech,and a few of my favorite units.
In the immortal words of the emperor...
I saw plenty of people killed in Odessa and Mariupol,thanks.
Yet you still want the Russian and Ukrainian militaries to fight..... Did you see the deaths firsthand or just watch them on tv (or via your questionably internet research talents)? Have you ever served in a conflict zone and seen the effects firsthand? I have, it's not pretty. War is not a game, yet you seem to be desperate for the situation to deteriorate to the point of all-out war. Why is that so? Do you like watching people die? Or you don't care how many die as long as you can see the equipment in action. You certainly like to keep score, like some perverse football game, with your regular updates of how many people have been killed so far. If war does break out you'll get more than you can track of.
So,referendum!
Results are REMARKABLY similar to Crimean.75+% turnout,95% in favor.
In Krasnoarmeysk turnout is lower,because National Guard.
Now it's time for El Presidente to make his next move.
Biggest question, is...
Since people voted twice, many times at different stations and areas...which is more accurate, the vote with those voting twice (along with the dead) at least, they may have voted more than that even, or the polls done by others?
It brings in another good question too...since now we know that the vote on this one was corrupt...
Does that imply that similar things could have happened in Crimea (since you drew the comparison)?
Russian military do
Blowing stuff up is something that ANY army can do.
It's kinda boring.Also it tells us nothing about state of said army.It's the little things that matter.Like,ability to deploy units and not lose 10% to non-battle attrition.now we know that the vote on this one was corrupt...
It wasn't.Rebels had lists of voters,and you can vote only if you present an ID.You can technically vote not in your city,but you have to be rebel militia stationed there.And that means you can't leave your station.You probably CAN work around it,but why bother?
Does that imply that similar things could have happened in Crimea (since you drew the comparison)?
Crimea was better.Practically bloodless.Id didn't require two weeks of fighting and two confirmed massacres of civilians to get people to vote.
Without it,turnout would be less than 50%,i think.So far less legitimate.Did i mention that this "government"of Ukraine just LOVES to shoot themselves in the knee on every step?
And El Presidente's next move must be recognition of rebel provinces.
Because if he don't do it,he loses public support he gained in Crimea.
Also,update on votes.Unlike Crimea,total results is 89-90% in favor.
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There are two guys in Russia who can write a good technothriller.You know,like Clancy,with important distinction that they DON'T SUCK!(if you want to read technothriller in english that don't suck,read Dale Brown.)
First is Fyodor Berezin,who,among other things,wrote two-parter called "Ukraine War 2013"or something like that.I can recommend it for general education(because it has a different story from reality).
Second,and far more interesting in the context,is Alexander Markyanov.
VERY prolific writer,who has over 50 books under his belt,but series we most interested in at the time is called,very unoriginal"World War 3".
It includes about 15 books ATM,covering most interested parties and three decades of timeline,and you can almost quote for the news what he wrote on Ukraine(but then,he didn't foresaw Obama reelection...).
I can and will recommend it for substantial insights on the present situation.
If you can read russian,that is.
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Yay--a fellow CounterPunchian!
I like Mike Whitney's articles a lot, about both foreign policy and the economy. But he tends to rely too much on the World Socialist Website who are a bunch of Healyite scum. :(
I do wish sites like counterpunch got more attention. The average American (and Canadian too - my country is no better) know so damn little of what really goes on in the world it makes me sad :-(
Antiwar.com is a good source as well, though I imagine the libertarian bent of the site probably doesn't jibe very well with your own political leanings. I'm no communist myself, though the Russian proverb quoted from your article strikes me as plain truth: "Everything the Communists said about Communism was a lie, but everything they said about capitalism turned out to be the truth."
Putin is a genius. I can't wait to see what he does next. The man is a political mastermind.
Putin is a genius. I can't wait to see what he does next. The man is a political mastermind.
I think he has a team.A very good one.
WHICH WE DON'T GET TO SEE!God that sucks.
-I'd vote for Putin over who ever is running for president next...will it be another republican flip-floper or a democrat who feels for the poor while sitting on a million dollars with an Ivy league post-grad degree...
Plus they think he's making a fool of Obama
They're not alone.
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Hold on...well, I haven't had my coffee yet and couldn't find it quick, but I think I did swoon over Sexy Putin earlier. And my Comrade Stefanie still thinks he's a hawttie.
It's the whole authoritarian "strong man" leader thing I guess.
I think it's the experience.
Putin,as of right now,has fifteen years of experience in running big country.Obama has less than half,and worse base to start.
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I, admittedly, spend as little time as possible paying attention to the American Right, so I am a little confused about that. I thought the neocons were the ones mostly responsible for this whole debacle, but anyways...
It's quite obvious that Putin's more authoritarian in his domestic policies and the whole system of kleptocratic olgiarchs who made their fortunes in the privatization (stealing) of the property of the multinational Soviet proletariat.
But if we're talking foreign policy, they're both sociopathic monsters who, as a measure of public hygiene, should be executed for crimes against humanity.
And Sexy Putin's still making Obama look like a chump.
I forgot the interesting article I was gonna post with that:
Putin is a genius. I can't wait to see what he does next. The man is a political mastermind.I love the right's adoration of Putin.
It's the whole authoritarian "strong man" leader thing I guess.
Plus they think he's making a fool of Obama, so how can they not love him.
When you say "the right", are you including anti-war activists who appreciate Putin's restraint and extension of an olive branch to the neo-nazis in Kiev? Just wondering where exactly you think the political lines extend here. Should not these same "right wingers" love Ukraine's fascist junta?
I guarantee that I'm well left of your average American on the political spectrum "thejeff", but I admire how Putin has handled this vicious provocation by the western powers. Do I suddenly become a "right winger" now? Who exactly are you to make that determination? How arrogant.
Also of interest to our resident Ukraine watchers:
Apparently Ukraine's "security forces" have a new favoured tactic.
Putin is a genius. I can't wait to see what he does next. The man is a political mastermind.I love the right's adoration of Putin.
It's the whole authoritarian "strong man" leader thing I guess.
Plus they think he's making a fool of Obama, so how can they not love him.
When you say "the right", are you including anti-war activists who appreciate Putin's restraint and extension of an olive branch to the neo-nazis in Kiev? Just wondering where exactly you think the political lines extend here. Should not these same "right wingers" love Ukraine's fascist junta?
I guarantee that I'm well left of your average American on the political spectrum "thejeff", but I admire how Putin has handled this vicious provocation by the western powers. Do I suddenly become a "right winger" now? Who exactly are you to make that determination? How arrogant.
Saying "The right adores Putin", does not mean that only right-wingers can admire him.
My original comment was in response to Arnwolf, who I'd just read a "Get the government out of the free market" post from on another thread. It's also been seen from mainstream conservative figures.Putin decides what he wants to do, does it, and everyone else reacts. That's what I call a leader!Plenty of others. And it's very definitely the authoritative, strong man approach that they've praised as a contrast to Obama.
I do think you're being too generous to Putin on the anti-war side, both considering his past actions and the fact that he seems to be getting what he wants without outright war, so why bother with it?
Is there anyone here representing the "pro-war" side, then? And I bother with it because I can't stand the one-sided, bald faced lies, deceit and betrayals perpetrated upon the people of the west by their own governments and tame news media. I don't know if you're American or not, but certainly you must tire of the ceaseless beating of the war drums? Iraq. Iran. Libya. Syria. Russia. North Korea. Afghanistan. Will it not end? I'm tired of the same old lies, the made up stories of WMD's, of "terrorism", the countless flow of money that goes towards distracting the west from it's own problems.
If Putin is getting what he wants in Ukraine, after all our government's meddling, then I say good for him, good for Russia. It's none of our business. Would Americans like it if, suddenly, Russia decided that the plight of Mexican immigrants was of interest to them, and decided to build permanent military bases on the southern U.S. border, in order to ensure that it had a commanding voice in what happened next?
When that school was attacked by Chechnyans (sp?) Putin's reaction was worthy of respect.
I think his general governance (going after a female band? really?) and rigging elections stuff is BS, but the man loves Russia.
No doubt about it.
His own personal reaction...it may have been an act, but at the time it looked convincing. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
Not liking US policies or the US government doesn't mean you have to side with Russia, who is certainly meddling on their own and probably at least as bad as the US, just more constrained by their relative lack of power.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Russia has the right to "meddle" in affairs that occur right on their doorstep. Does anyone deny that the U.S. has invested years and billions of dollars to destabilize Ukraine? If Putin wants to turn their own destabilization to his nations benefit, I think we should applaud. What, exactly, is NATO's strategic interest in Ukraine? Who, exactly, is NATO, as an alliance, designed to fight?
Honestly, can anyone say, with a straight face, that ANYONE comes close to the amount of meddling the U.S. has done around the world in the past 50 years? How many more enemies must the U.S. create around the world, how many wars must be waged, how many lives need be lost before someone clues in and says "Hmm, this strategy isn't making us any safer, it's making everyone less secure!"?
I know why no-one is publicly coming to that conclusion, save for a few dismissed as crackpots and isolationists. Do you?
The one that Putin barely reacted to
As usual,you don't get to see actual reaction.But i'll give you the hint:
FAR more people have died after Beslan.People who,you know,ordered the attack.When for every child who died there you lose two commanders,you are losing the war.
There is a reason why next big terror attack happened only five years later.
Who, exactly, is NATO, as an alliance, designed to fight?
Russians,duh.
Nothing changed.Well,exept now it is also China.
going after a female band? really?
No.You see,people couldn't care less about this band.
Public desecration of the major temple,OTOH...Ortodox Christians are by no means radical islamists,but there is a line.
And this girls got off lightly.
Here's an article from those crazy right-wingers at counterpunch:
The one that Putin barely reacted toAs usual,you don't get to see actual reaction.But i'll give you the hint:
FAR more people have died after Beslan.People who,you know,ordered the attack.
When for every child who died there you lose two commanders,you are losing the war.
There is a reason why next big terror attack happened only five years later.
Who, exactly, is NATO, as an alliance, designed to fight?
Russians,duh.
Nothing changed.
Well,exept now it is also China.
That was a rhetorical question, Vlad. My question was meant to draw attention to the fact that NATO, as an entity, should be extinct. Instead, all efforts are being made to expand the alliance - a broken promise to the Russian people by the west.
My question was meant to draw attention to the fact that NATO, as an entity, should be extinct.
Why?Russia's still there,weakened,but there.Communist party is still pretty strong here.
And then there is China.
But that doesn't make Putin some kind of hero just because he opposes the US. That's the attitude that disturbs me about the left's embrace of him in this crisis.
The right's embrace is creepy for entirely different reasons.
You are right that Putin is no hero. A lot of the international love-fest with him is really anti-americanism being given voice.
My question was meant to draw attention to the fact that NATO, as an entity, should be extinct.Why?Russia's still there,weakened,but there.Communist party is still pretty strong here.
And then there is China.
Is your assumption, then, that the western world is best served negotiating with Russia, China, and other emerging powers at the end of a gun? Is it in our best interests to try and encircle and contain other nations?
Because I don't see it that way. I don't think conflict has to be the inevitable end result. I do think that world war one should have educated the world about the danger of entangling foreign alliances.
Is your assumption, then, that the western world is best served negotiating with Russia, China, and other emerging powers at the end of a gun?
Powers that be sure think so.
His own personal reaction...it may have been an act, but at the time it looked convincing. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.Oh, he's good at PR, I'll give him that.
I largely ignore personal reactions of politicians though, except when they're blatantly opposite of what would do them good. I assume it's all posed and scripted.
I don't remember what it was I was watching at the time. A tv news show where he was interviewed. He was pissed as hell. I thought it an appropriate reaction of a leader who had children in his country taken hostage. It stuck with me.
Similarly when Khadaffi took credit for a terrorist attack that killed off duty marines, and Reagan bombed his house. It stuck with me.
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No.You see,people couldn't care less about this band.
Public desecration of the major temple,OTOH...
Ortodox Christians are by no means radical islamists,but there is a line.
And this girls got off lightly.
Here in the US, at most, they would have gotten arrested for trespassing and/or disturbing the peace, and maybe spent a weekend in jail and some community service.
Got off lightly my butt.