Non-Draconic Bloodrager Dragon Disciples in PFS?

[Todd Morgan]

Does a Bloodrager bloodline count as a Sorcerer Bloodline for the purposes of Dragon Disciple? I don't see where this is stated. The Prestige Class only mentions Sorcerer Bloodlines.

The Bloodrager entry states that you can take levels in Sorcerer, but you have to take the same bloodline as your Bloodrager, making me think they are separate bloodlines that advance separately. The beginning of the Classes section even mentions that if you do this you may be getting 'redundant' abilities.

This leads me to the conclusion that DD and Bloodrager actually don't stack. Instead, you acquire a second Sorcerer Draconic bloodline in addition to your Bloodrager Draconic bloodline.

[Kyshkumen]

Here is a bit from the DD section that might clear things up.

Blood of Dragons:A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained.

So combining that with the section in the Bloodrager about blood lines means the Draconic bloodlines need to match up.

[Jiggy]

This is tricky, especially considering that DD was written with the assumption that bloodline=sorcerer (since at the time there was no such thing as having something even remotely close to a bloodline without being a sorcerer). I don't think anyone can say with certainty how this all fits together; probably best to hope for a FAQ, and in the meantime avoid making characters that absolutely depend on it working a particular way.

I'll just stick with my monoclassed arcane-bloodline bloodrager. :)

[Kyshkumen]

Blah it ate my edit post. I can see the DD bloodline as not stacking with bloodrager bloodlines since those abilities only work while in a blood rage. The DD bloodline could then be used outside of bloodrage.

[Sebastian Hirsch]

Unless I we get some official clarification, I think the assumption is that we use RAW. Once the Bloodrager enters the PRC, he has to change his bloodline (since this is what the Bloodrager class description says).
He will gain the abilities of a sorcerer of his dragon disciple level, it might still be reasonably powerful.

[Damanta]

The bloodrager will simply have two draconic bloodlines unless/untill there will be errata that the dragon disciple Blood of Dragons ability also works on the bloodrager.

So Sebastian has it correct for PFS: the bloodrager bloodline benefits up to his level and the sorcerer bloodline benefits up to his dragon disciple level.

[Under A Bleeding Sun]

Damanta wrote:

The bloodrager will simply have two draconic bloodlines unless/untill there will be errata that the dragon disciple Blood of Dragons ability also works on the bloodrager.

So Sebastian has it correct for PFS: the bloodrager bloodline benefits up to his level and the sorcerer bloodline benefits up to his dragon disciple level.

Agreed, which makes it a terrible choice IMO. I was hoping they'd make them function together, and so did a lot of others based on the play test forums. Oh well though! For PFS my Bloodrager/DD build is killed.

[David Bowles]

You make it work in a homebrew. Which I probably would.

[Sebastian Hirsch]

Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:

Damanta wrote:

The bloodrager will simply have two draconic bloodlines unless/untill there will be errata that the dragon disciple Blood of Dragons ability also works on the bloodrager.

So Sebastian has it correct for PFS: the bloodrager bloodline benefits up to his level and the sorcerer bloodline benefits up to his dragon disciple level.

Agreed, which makes it a terrible choice IMO. I was hoping they'd make them function together, and so did a lot of others based on the play test forums. Oh well though! For PFS my Bloodrager/DD build is killed.

My advice would be to just wait, there is a pretty good chance that this will might change. Other than that, it is not that awful.