Class ability switches and fairness / function.

[Gilgamesh005]

I was curious how people feel about switching out class abilities for others and if they are fair switches. More specifically I was talking to my dm and I felt that the ninja class would be better suited with the monk ac ability instead of light armor proficiency and poison use as I detest all the poisons that are published and view their use as pointless. He said he was not sure that that switch was warranted and might be overly powerful.

I just wanted to see how others would feel about that switch and if anyone had any suggestions.

Thank you.

[Gilgamesh005]

I also had a question about accuracy when it comes to weight and weapon types. If a weapon was historically a slashing/piercing weapon but in game it is only marked as a slashing weapon and it weighs twice as much as it does IRL is it wrong to ask for it to be changed?

[Oceanshieldwolf]

Ninjas with monk AC bonus instead of light armor?

We did this very thing with the Ascetic Acrobat. Hope it helps. :)

As for asking about changing weapon damage types... Well, asking is never wrong... ;)

[rainzax]

maybe if it's just Wisdom to AC, without the +1 at 4/8/12/16/20...

omg are you going to keep CHA governing ki pool?

another idea is to keep monk AC as is, and shift back Sneak Attack and Ninja Tricks all a single level (SA at 'evens' 2/4/6/8..., NT at 'odds' 3/5/7/9...)

[Oceanshieldwolf]

rainzax wrote:

....another idea is to keep monk AC as is, and shift back Sneak Attack and Ninja Tricks all a single level (SA at 'evens' 2/4/6/8..., NT at 'odds' 3/5/7/9...)

Welllll, if you check out the Ascetic Acrobat linked above, you'll see that's kinda what Elghinn Lightbringer did - though the progressions are swapped - SA at 1/3/7/9/13/15/19 and NT at 2/6/810/14/18. There are a few other ability swaps that changed the progressions. Anyway, something to look at... ;)

[Lady Ladile]

It's funny that you posted this, as I was contemplating asking my DM if my Oracle could trade out some of the revelations she would gain for bardic performances (kinda like the Evangelist Cleric archetype)- but I have no idea how to balance it to make it both fair and worthwhile.

[Oceanshieldwolf]

@Lady Ladile - By all means take a look at the Multiclass Archetypes wiki for over one hundred class options and be sure to check our creative guidelines. Or bring your Oracle/Bard idea to our current working thread HERE. We can bump you up the queue to work out some performance for revelation swaps... doesn't have to be a multiclass archetype, just a quick discussion of the relative swaps for certain performances for how many revelations...

[Gilgamesh005]

I did not even know about the Ascetic Acrobat. Thank you so much for pointing this out. I will ask my dm about using this.