Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento
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As has been pointed out on another thread here, the Druid Pregen can't technically be played effectively by any player who doesn't own a bestiary at the table, because as is currently be interpreted, the player needs to own and have at the table the bestiary to be able to cast natures ally or wild shape.
Is it possible to get a companion sheet to go with the druid with a small set of animals she can summon / shape into?
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Seconded.
Even if it's just a handful of preconstructed level 1 companions, and the animals on the Summon Natures Ally 1 list.
The stats are online, and there are many third party products that present them in an easy to read format, sometimes with templates added.
But there is an issue over the legality of relying on such a product, without also having the Bestiary to hand.
By giving the level 1 summoned ally stats, it allows a player new to PF, or to PF Society, to drop in to a convention or store event, and try the druid pregen, if that appeals to them.
By the time they gain access to level 2 spells, the assumption could be that they would have got a Bestiary, in print or pdf.
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That's fair - in my memory, they were built as level 1 companions that you chose, but on looking it up, they're not.
In the interim, at least, if someone had trouble coming up with an AC, I'd give them a pregen Lini and say, "Use Droogami for now; if you want to hang around after the game I'll help you make an animal companion more to your liking."
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It's an interesting idea, and I can imagine fitting about six creatures' stat blocks onto one of our pregen-style sheets. I'm certainly willing to discuss it with others around the office and see if there are any otherwise-unforseen issues.
That said, it's going to be a little while before I could wrangle budgeted time for this. At least in a literal sense, don't hold your breath; we lose more dedicated forum-goers that way.
To keep things productive, were you to only have six animals on the summon nature's ally list, what would they be and why? Make two for spell level 1, two for spell level 2, one for spell level 3, and one for spell level 4. Space permitting, if you had one discretionary creature (#7) to add at any spell level, what would it be?
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Summon nature's ally I
- eagle
- stirge
Summon nature's ally II
- air elemental, small
- wolf
Summon nature's ally III
- leopard
Summon nature's ally IV
- owlbear or grizzly bear
Space permitting, putting medium air elemental on the level 7 list would be good too. It's important that Lini has flying options.
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Level 1
Fire beatle(easy to use)
Eagle(most damaging plus flight)
Level 2
Fire elemental(burn is an awesome concept and simple let the new people see this)
Wolf(Tripping is nice and good to learn)
Level 3
Crocodile(time for an aquatic animal)
Level 4
Rhinoceros(a nice powerful attacker that has a style different than the cat.)
The things I picked I feel would be th emost memoriable for new people. To say you summoned a fire elemental and it lit the bad guy on fire or sending a rhino through a hallway are a great stories they will remember.
I also purposely avoided similar-sih creatures. Alogn with cats since she has a cat companion.
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To keep things productive, were you to only have six animals on the summon nature's ally list, what would they be and why? Make two for spell level 1, two for spell level 2, one for spell level 3, and one for spell level 4.
I think it would be better to keep it as 6 creatures from Summon Nature's Ally I because at a rate of one session a week, which I assume to be pretty standard for PFS (not taking conventions into consideration), it will take a player 6 weeks to start using Summon Nature's Ally II.
I don't think buying the bestiary PDF and printing what pages you want, or are likely to use, is going to be to difficult.Also, can we have a similar sheet for Summon Monster?
Having one for Summon Nature's Ally will probably be more important but it'd be nice to have as well.
Do it after the Summon Nature's Ally sheet.
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Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento
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the npc codex animal companions are made to swap out with a companion where it qualifies, for a companion of the same effective druid level.
if they have the npc codex, couldn't they thus swap out the snow leopard for one from there ?
Since the whole point of this thread is that players who do not own bestiary cannot legally play Lini, if they don't have bestiary, they probably don't have the npc codex.
That aside, no you can't start swapping out class features from a pregen. about the closest I know of that you can come is swapping out which prepared spells the prepared casters can memorize from their list of known spells.
None of which is really relevant to the question of making it possible for Lini to have animals she can summon / wildshape into.
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Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento
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It's an interesting idea, and I can imagine fitting about six creatures' stat blocks onto one of our pregen-style sheets. I'm certainly willing to discuss it with others around the office and see if there are any otherwise-unforseen issues.
Thanks John.
Take your time. I'd rather have it done right, than have you guys put something out and then pull it back.
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Summon Monster I:
Although I love the stirge, the special abilities would take up too much space. So I'd have to go with Eagle (second best with flight) and dog (most damage of the ground bound critters).
Summon Monster II:
I'd say Elementals are out for the same reason as the stirge. The Hyena seems as good as or better than the wolf in every way. My second choice for II would be 1d3 Eagles. :D
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To keep things productive, were you to only have six animals on the summon nature's ally list, what would they be and why? Make two for spell level 1, two for spell level 2, one for spell level 3, and one for spell level 4.I think it would be better to keep it as 6 creatures from Summon Nature's Ally I because at a rate of one session a week, which I assume to be pretty standard for PFS (not taking conventions into consideration), it will take a player 6 weeks to start using Summon Nature's Ally II.
Unless they wind up, as a new player, using the 4th level or 7th level pregen Druid.
Easy to do, at a small venue, if the GM is running something that is 3-7, 5-9 or even 7-11.
I know that the game day I run is usually a single GM, me, running a single scenario or module, at a local game store. At one point, we actually got two tables running, but that was two VCs ago, and the person most responsible for the increase in players was that former VC.
Because this is a college town, and the game store I use may not be th eclosest to the college, sometimes I have trouble even getting that one table to form. This month, I went out to the game store, and I was the only one there for PFS.
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I didn't consider that someone new to the game would be given a level 4 or 7 pregen.
I was thinking the most likely scenario for a newcomer, would be to be sat at a tier 1-2 game.
But at smaller events, like a store game day, I can see they'd have to take pot luck with the tiers on offer.
While the whole Summon Nature's Ally list would be great, if I had to narrow it down, I'd ask for dog, dolphin and eagle.
Land, sea and air options.
Plenty of low-tier scenarios seem to take place under the docks, or on boats, with the PCs being mobbed by fishmen or the like.
I'd hope that if a new player were fast-tracked into a higher tier, the other players would help them out, since they'd need access to a Bestiary for any wild shape effects.