I'm considering a Ranger with dip into Druid (4-5 levels). My questions is this: with 2 spell lists, do the caster levels stack? Otherwise it seems all my spells would be pretty ineffective at med-high levels--at level 15, Druid spells only at lvl5 and ranger spells at lvl 7.
I like the build for my character, but I don't really like the idea of managing 2 divine spell lists. That's a bunch of spells to choose from! I was considering proposing to my DM that I just take the druid spell list, eliminate the ranger spells, and when I get new spells/caster level from ranger I would just add to my druid spells instead. For example, at level 12 (R7/D5 with wisdom of 14) I would have 4/3/1 plus orisons from Druid and 1/0 from ranger so it would be 5/3/1 all from the druid spell list.
I'm sure that isn't in the rules anywhere but does it seem like a fair compromise to simplify things? Or would that severely over/underpower my character?
I know there are some feats to help meld similar druid and ranger abilities (like Shapeshifting Hunter), might there be something with spells too?
As usual, thanks!
no your CL do not stack from separate spell lists, this is the same problem wiz/clerics have, you have two different spell casting sources, and two different lists. Multiclassing makes you lose out on some things for another, if you want to keep one spell list stay with a single class or take a prestige that still adds to your spell casting.
Right. But Druid/Ranger is a far cry from Wizard/Cleric. There you're talking 2 very different spell lists, and arcane class and a divine class, from 2 classes that are primary spellcasters (at least in the case of the wizard.
With Ranger/Druid, the spell lists are pretty similar (50% the same spells for level 1). They both come from divine sources, presumably both from 'nature'. So knowing that the caster levels don't stack, I don't see how it would make a big difference to just use one spell list (for the sake of convenience) and combine the spells/day. In the end it's up to my DM if he'll let me.
If what I'm asking would make my character way overpowered, maybe there is a good way to nerf it back to normal?
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If you just want to avoid two spell lists, I would advise taking a Ranger archetype that doesn't get spells. Trapper or Skirmisher, plus a couple of third-party options.
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You're ratcheting your overall power up in a very different way by applying Ranger spellcaster levels to progress druid spells. The sources may be similar, but progression and power are very, very different. This is giving you full BAB progression and a fighting style from the ranger combined with progressing a full caster's spells per day / spells known / etc.
You're essentially giving yourself a de facto nature version of the Eldritch Knight, who still gets class abilities and feats from his martial levels.
You're ratcheting your overall power up in a very different way by applying Ranger spellcaster levels to progress druid spells. The sources may be similar, but progression and power are very, very different. This is giving you full BAB progression and a fighting style from the ranger combined with progressing a full caster's spells per day / spells known / etc.
You're essentially giving yourself a de facto nature version of the Eldritch Knight, who still gets class abilities and feats from his martial levels.
Okay, I hear ya. If only there was an eldritch knight for a ranger/druid! Well, I think I've had my rules questions answered. I'm still determined to find a way to make this work with the Druid/Ranger. The rest of the build is perfect for the character concept I have in mind. But at this point I think the discussion belongs in either the homebrew or advice forum.
Again, Thanks everyone!