Mount Attack + Rider Non-Attack Standard Action?


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I've read through the Mounted Combat portion of the rulebook and sifted through threads on the forums, but I haven't found the answer to one particular situation. If I have my mount attack, can I then take a non-attack standard action of my own?

I found the following bits regarding mounts and action economy.

Core Rulebook wrote:
Your mount acts on your initiative count as you direct it. You move at its speed, but the mount uses its action to move.
Core Rulebook wrote:
You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving. Likewise, you can take move actions normally.
Core Rulebook wrote:
You can cast a spell normally if your mount moves up to a normal move (its speed) either before or after you cast.
Core Rulebook wrote:
Fight with a Combat-Trained Mount: If you direct your war-trained mount to attack in battle, you can still make your own attack or attacks normally. This usage is a free action.

I'm guessing yes, since I'm reading the above as mounts and riders having their own action pools, but I wanted to make sure before my next game. I'd like to try a Strategist Cavalier and concentrate on sharing Teamwork Feats with allies, but it would be great to get an attack in with my mount in the same round I use the Tactician ability.

Grand Lodge

Yes, your mount gets it's full action pool. You tell it how to spend it. You then get your own action pool. However, there are a few limitations.

Telling your animal where to go and staying on it while it does is a free Ride action. Ride (DC 5) If you fail you only have one hand free this round.

Telling your animal to attack a target is either (depending on skill used) a free Ride (DC 10) action, or a move Handle Animal (DC 15) action (so basically, unless you have a really high handle animal and an abysmal ride, use ride)

If your animal moves, you cannot make a full attack, because you need to spend part of the time you need making the full attack to get to where you are going. (Presumably, this also means you cannot ride up to a spot and coup de gras a target there, extinguish a fire or light a torch that is at that spot, or multitouchspell allies that can only be reached from that spot.)

Under that logic, your mount spends your move action getting it to where you want it to be, so you could use your tactician ability with out being at your final destination, I would let you use it and then make your attack with your mount's attack, but if you need to be adjacent to your allies before using your ability, then you would have to use your standard action for your ability.

Grand Lodge

tl:dr answer:

you can use your move action for any move equivalent action that has a range of: self, mount, or range.

Paizo Employee Design Manager

You and your mount do each have your own separate pool of actions, just like a druid and their animal companion, you just have a special subset of rules that sits on top of the normal ones for how you can utilize those actions. There's no reason you couldn't use Tactician in the same round your mount makes an attack.


Sweet. Thank you both for the clarifications!

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