Hm. Actually, you -could- use an Ape, just re-flavored, I'd say.
That'd be the quickest way to do it.
Hmm. Looks like something between a horse and a gorilla to me. Both the gorilla and the heavy horse are CR 2 creatures, so we can kind of put together their stats, tweaking them a bit.
Chalicoterium
CR 2 (600 exp)
N Large animal
Init +3; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8
DEFENSE
AC 14, touch 12, flat footed 11 (+3 Dex, -1 size, +2 natural)
hp 19 (2d8+10)
Fort +10, Ref +6, Will +3
OFFENSE
Speed 40 ft.
Melee 2 slams +4 (1d6+5)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 10 ft.
STATISTICS
Str 20, Dex 16, Con 21, Int 2, Wis 17, Cha 11
Base Atk +1; CMB +7, CMD 20 (24 vs. trip)
Feats Endurance, Greater Fortitude
Skills Perception +8
See if this works for you. If these animals are breeded to serve as beasts of burden, you could add the Special Quality Docile, that makes them treat both their slams as secondary attacks unless specifically trained to fight.
Looking at the ape, yes they have the same body shape, but the stats are way off.
That's why I used a horse's body stats, but the attacks of a gorilla :)
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Looking at the ape, yes they have the same body shape, but the stats are way off.That's why I used a horse's body stats, but the attacks of a gorilla :)
*facepalm*
there is so much gah,
I'm not even going to address how, where does a primate even compare to this creature?
Or a horse statwise, aside from the hooves?
maybe someone who understands prehistoric life a little more should attempt this, or just give it its own stats. It really needs that, not some hodgepodge attempt that ended up nothing near what this creature would have been like.
Well the real question is... how would this creature have been like? Can anyone really answer that, beyond looking at Wikipedia or having a degree in paleontology? Can you? Might be wise to think about that before criticizing people that are trying to help you.
The Walking With Dinosaurs/Prehistoric Beasts wiki pegs these guys as on average, 2m (6.5 feet) tall and built like gorillas. They had claws for grabbing leaves as well defending against predators. So, make with that what you will.
Well, I'm sorry. I read the description on the net and it basically said the size and toughness of the body resembled that of a horse, while the arms were similar to those of a gorilla, but with claws (so yes, you could call the attacks "claws"). The overall pose of the creature looked like that of a gorilla or an adult bear. Given that you asked for a "docile beast of burden" I tried to work on CR 2 existing creatures, because anything stronger than that I hardly see as a manageable mount. Aside from all this, of course the details of this animal's biology are different from a horse or primate, but I worked with numbers, which are kinda abstract. And it was just a first try.
However, I hope someone gets these right for you, sorry if I let you down, just wanted to help.
Araknophobia, don't let them get you down. You made a good stab at it. With only a bit of tweaking, I think you're on the right track.
Araknophobia, don't let them get you down. You made a good stab at it. With only a bit of tweaking, I think you're on the right track.
Ha, no problem, takes more to get me down for real (like university exams). Thanks, however.
I'm actually surprised to see gorillas as large animals in the bestiary, now that I look at it.
If you need a docile beast of burden, why not use the Baluchitherium?
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Chalicotheres are pretty cool looking. I've always used Baluchitheres as giant mobile archery platforms (long before the gimongous oliphants in Lord of the Rings made their on screen appearance). There were smaller species of Baluchitheres that might make decent heavy draft animals.
Many scientists now lump Baluchitherium in the Paracerathere family, and in fact Indricotherium and Baluchitherium are seldom used as genus names anymore.
This link - Paracertheriide of China by DeviantArtist Sinammonite shows several species compared to the size of a human. In fact, look over his entire gallery. The man illustrates ancient mammals beautifully. You might find literally herds of new creatures with which to populate your world. I substitute extinct relatives of many modern creatures in my campaign setting. Mundane, non magical animals, but they give a nice little touch to a world setting where people are used to just the two (sometimes more, depending on the scientists you talk to) elephants, for example.
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Paizo needs to make a whole book with prehistoric critters in it
ONLY if they hire artists who have a frakking clue as to what they actually looked like. I mean, how hard is it to reference the bloody internet and take a look at modern paleoartists' renderings using the latest scientific data? Although not an extinct animal, the illustration used for the Gar in Bestiary 2 makes me want to track the artist down and beat him with an alligator gar carcass. Most of the prehistoric beasties illustrated in monster books are based on outdated theories or just wrongbad guesses.
Ok...the paleontologist part of me has wound down now (takes deep breaths). But yes, a prehistoric critter sourcebook would be great.
I dunno if you still need it, but I've statted up chalicotheres here: http://d20despot.blogspot.com/2013/09/monster-monday-chalicothere-prehistor ic.html
I love throwing prehistoric animals into my games, personally. Pathfinder lets me combine my loves of history, tabletop RPGs, and paleontology.
I dunno if you still need it, but I've statted up chalicotheres here: http://d20despot.blogspot.com/2013/09/monster-monday-chalicothere-prehistor ic.html
I love throwing prehistoric animals into my games, personally. Pathfinder lets me combine my loves of history, tabletop RPGs, and paleontology.
It's like you're in my head.
gonna drop this here, since it seems like the kinda thing you guys like.
Chalicotheres are not-too-shabbily statted for 3.0 in Nyambe: African Adventures, but called "engargya." Only necroing this thread because I was just looking for them and thought someday, someone else might too. As pointed out, they were featured on a Walking With... show so I'm surprised they haven't made it into a Bestiary yet.
Everything else aside:
WTF is wrong with you Mystic_Snowfang?
Even if you don't agree with Araknophobias attempt, YOU asked for help and they tried to give you that help. You know, for free. On their own time. Because they were trying to be nice.
Maybe think about that when you ask for help around here the next time.
That reply of yours some of the most unfriendly and ungrateful sh*t I've ever seen around these forums.