Bard saving himself with Saving Finale

[Marten Fawkes]

Something that just occurred to me while rolling an arcane duelist and i couldn't find anything on the boards so far.

If we read the spell strictly RAW, would the bard be able to use it to let himself reroll a save?

[Lab_Rat]

Yes. Bard would be in range and is a living creature.

[Touc]

That's how I read it.

[StreamOfTheSky]

Rather than make a new thread..."simple" question... If an ally is only "affected" by the bard's performance to the extend that he is receiving the benefit of Discordant Voice feat through the bard's use of performance, is that enough to satisfy the requirements of Saving Finale? Thinking of making a Dawnflower Dervish (ie, self-only inspire courage) and it'd be nice to still use this spell on allies if possible...

[Marten Fawkes]

The problem is, that it is pretty much implied that the Dervish only uses Perform(Dance) for his Bardic Performance and the feat explicably needs vocal Performances.

[StreamOfTheSky]

No, it doesn't. It requires ranks in perform (sing or oratory) to take the feat, but the feat doesn't require a specific performance to use it. It works on allies when doing any performance, even one that is used on enemies like fascinate/suggestion.

Spoiler:

Discordant Voice

By singing out a precise tone, you cause discordant vibrations to run through allies’ weapons.

Prerequisites: Bardic performance class feature, Perform (oratory or sing) 10 ranks.

Benefit: Whenever you are using bardic performance to create a spell-like or supernatural effect, allies within 30 feet of you deal an extra 1d6 points of sonic damage with successful weapon attacks. This damage stacks with other energy damage a weapon might deal. Projectile weapons bestow this extra damage on their ammunition, but the extra damage is dealt only if the projectile hits a target within 30 feet of you.

Further, DD may call it a battle dance, but no where does it say you have to use the perform (dance) skill, or even be trained in it (it DOES explicitly say you do not need to see nor hear your own performance to benefit, though!).

In any case, my character would have sing, dance, and...keyboard ranks, anyway. Even if you do need to dance, you can sing and dance at the same time.

[Marten Fawkes]

Huh, i guess you are technically right.
I am still not sure about Saving Finale though, since your allies are not affected by the bardic performance per se but instead by the feat.

[StreamOfTheSky]

Well yes, that's why I'm asking the question, it seems RAW legit, but on shaky ground. The allies are affected by your performance due to the feat giving them a benefit when you perform. It's a loop hole, if it works. Hardly the first loop hole in the game if so.

EDIT: One limiting factor is that DV feat only works out to 30 ft, while as a normal bardic performance can potentially cover allies at much further distances. So there is also that...