2 Challenge Characters, advice please


Advice


I have 2 character concepts that I want to try out but aren't sure how to go about making them.

The first one is heavily based off of Tyrion Lannister from A Game of Thrones, or in his own words: "I'm not good at violence, but I'm quite good at getting others to be violent for me." Essentially a character without magical abilities or martial skill but still able to kick ass and take names by mere choice words.

The second character is for want of a better analogy a mix of Daredevil and Batman. Again non-magic using, but this time a close-combat specialist who uses fear and terror as a weapon and also happens to be blind.

High charisma for the first, maxed out Intimidate ranks and the Skill Focus (Perception) and Blind Fight feats along with permanent blindness for the second one are obvious, but any other suggestions?


Cornugon Smash and Antagonize on your Figther. I'd try to talk my GM into getting blindsight of 30 feet, instead of going with Blind Fight. You are still more handicapped than character, with full sight, losing more than you gain.

The Tyrion is more tricky. Most characters based on social abillties have magic. You could go with a little bit of casting and just make a bard(or even have him be a full casting sorcerer ). Eldritch Heritage can also give some nice boni to social skills.

If you really insist on not using any magic at all and lacking martial prowess, the solution should be quite simple: Build a Rogue, dump your physical stats, pump up Charisma > Int > Wisdom. Traits can help you to get more class skills you want to.
You could also take the Charlatan archetype to Improve your lying. You'd just be a skill monkey.
A Poisoner could also IMO fit a tyrionesk character.


Where are Cornugon Smash and Antagonize? I found Charlatan easily and it fits in perfectly with what I was looking for, but I'm having a hard time finding the ones for the fighter. Are they feats or something else?


they are both feats

Antagonise is in Ultimate Magic, cornugon smash I'm not sure but I think Ultimate Combat


Cornugon Smash is from Pathfinder Companion: Cheliax, Empire of Devils.

Cornugon Smash.

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