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Sorry guys, but I've been away for quite awhile now. Just getting back to the forums after about a year's absence. Is Paizo making changes to the core rules? More than just simple errata? I saw that the monk is being reworked.
Not sure how I feel about this if that is the case. I mean, WotC did stuff like this with 4E and it got so out of hand that the corebooks were pretty much unusable after get monthly "revisions" for over a year. If this is what the future of Pathfinder holds, I may have to stop buying products from Paizo. I hate to be that way, but I don't want to have to buy the newest printing of the core rules everytime they go in and change something.
This really bums me out.
They reversed a couple of previous arbitrary rulings that aren't actually supported by the CRB's text and had no purpose other than to screw over monks. That's not exactly tearing up the CRB into uselessness and rewriting the monk from scratch.
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They reversed a couple of previous arbitrary rulings that aren't actually supported by the CRB's text and had no purpose other than to screw over monks. That's not exactly tearing up the CRB into uselessness and rewriting the monk from scratch.
Seems quite a few people feel that the new ruling unnecessarily screwed up the monks. If that is the case, other changes could well be on the way. Sure, the CRB isn't torn into uselessness at the moment, but I think this should give customers pause.
I never played 4E, but have friends that do. They were so disgusted by the constant (monthly) updates and revisions that they really felt like they were wasting their money.
I don't think anyone can blame me for being worried that this might start to happen with Pathfinder. I think it's a valid concern. And I'm sure some of the hardcore fanboys will probably come in here and try to rip me a new one. But please keep in mind, I LOVE PATHFINDER! I just bring this topic up out of concern for a game and company I love dearly. I don't want to see them go down the same road WotC did. If they do, and these rules rewrites start to happen more and more frequently, then Paizo will be going down a road that I cannot follow.
I've been here for about a year, and as far as I know: The monk was the only major change (and you can easily just use house rules in a home campaign to ignore it). Other than that, they haven't made any huge changes: Just made some erratas that made it easier to understand some rules (and I believe make the Scar Hex actually DO something.)
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Wow.
So.. the CRB has been in print for 4+ years (52-ish months). The 5th printing (4th re-print) is currently what is selling. There has been one errata document released or updated for each printing (4 so far), each unique to one of the previous printings to help buyers of that printing update the book they bought.
Example: there are separate errata update documents for the 1st printing, 2nd printing, 3rd printing, and 4th printing that contain all of the changes needed, and only the changes needed, to update that printing.
There have also been a few FAQ updates. Most of those are responses to actual questions about the rules as they exist in the printed books. A small number of those have led to re-wording of a rule, or an actual change.
All in all, in 4+ years, there have been very few actual rule changes.
The monk issue has been debated for at least 2 years. 7 or 8 months ago, a clarification was made based on the RAI. As explained, what had been intended had not been understood, and so it was re-stated to make that clear. There was an immediate reaction, because the mis-understanding of what had been intended was evident, and common, in Paizo's own products. That made the clarification feel like a retro-active change.
After about 2 months of sometimes heated protests, the Developers said they realized that the Monk had more problems than a single or even a handful of FAQ entries could address. That meant that the Monk would need a more thorough review, and probably more coordination of multiple changes, to make it more workable without invalidating a lot of existing stuff (that was about 6 months ago).
Growing impatience since then led to occasional demands for answers/updates, and requests for patience. That boiled over about a week ago in a thread that also grew heated at times.
As a result, Paizo recognized the need to post at least a few updates for issue that had been simmering for a while.
Overall, you may see 2 or even rarely 3 books updated together, but it will often be 6 months or longer between updates to any one book. That is, at least in part, because Paizo wants the PDF versions to match the current printed version. So they don't update the PDF often.. only when a new printing begins shipping from their warehouse. That is also when the update documents for prior printings are released.. so it is all coordinated. Those who purchased their books here also receive an email notice of the update.
So.. all of that seems like a far cry from "monthly updates". The actual pace can be seen on your Downloads page; the errata for the books you have purchased here is available from there.
Paizo is not perfect. As the recent "get your house in order" thread shows, the on-line customer base's patience waiting for some of these updates has been exhausted. But Paizo responded, and has taken notice of the issue. There will be more updates to the Monk, but they will likely come in one or two bundles, not doled out one by one over months (at least as I read the response in that thread).
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Seems quite a few people feel that the new ruling unnecessarily screwed up the monks.
Are you checking the dates on the posts you're reading? Because the most recent monk ruling is being heralded as fantastic by most folks who comment here on the boards, while the ruling it overturned was felt by many to "unnecessarily screw up the monks".
Both ruling were within the past year, so you might be looking at responses to the old ruling, not the current one.