I was wondering if the Devs ever weighed in on if using two shields in conjunction with the Shield Master feat really meant that you could do two weapon fighting with no minuses from the associate fighting style.
Your mastery of the shield allows you to fight with it without hindrance.
Prerequisites: Improved Shield Bash, Shield Proficiency, Shield Slam, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack bonus +11.
Benefit: You do not suffer any penalties on attack rolls made with a shield while you are wielding another weapon. Add your shield's enhancement bonus to attacks and damage rolls made with the shield as if it was a weapon enhancement bonus.
One interpretation from this is that if you use two shields, one in each hand, you never take two weapon fighting minuses. I always that that this was sketchy for RAI or RAW (could go ether way on being legal or intended), but was leaning toward it working.
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-Hexen
Technically speaking I suppose there's no reason it wouldn't work, but why would you use two shields instead of a shield and another weapon? There are other weapons that do more damage and can bear better offensive enchantments.
Why not? No TWF minues, weapon focus, weapaon specialization, and weapon training works for both weapons. The game is overly focused on using two of the same weapons. This is just another reason why.
But this debate aside, I know it is debatable if the feat works in the manor, or even if it should, so I was wondering if the devs have made any comments on this or not.
This is sort of an old topic.
P.S. Basically its a piecing light mace with a +4/+2 to hit when using TWF and grants a 2 Shield AC bonus.
Since I heard "Dwarven Stalward Defender" somewhere I had this image in my head of a dwarf in adamantine full plate and two tower shields...
It appears to be valid by RAW. Probably not RAI - I don't think the person writing the feat even considered someone fighting with two shields. Fairly effective - two +5 shields are cheaper than two +5 weapons - but not at low levels.
It's not overpowered but rather totally awesome.
I'd allow it, RAW or RAI or WTF! :)
And you get the AC+enhancement from one of the shields, and you get to take one Weapon Focus for both your weapons, and if you use light shields, you can carry things in your hands while fighting.
Two Klars sounds cool, and thematic.
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I thought about that, but I think technically Klars can't use shield bash to keep their AC.
Two Klars sounds cool, and thematic.
Better AC and same damage with a heavy spiked shield, just not slashing though.
Two Klars sounds cool, and thematic.\
I thought about that, but I think technically Klars can't use shield bash to keep their AC.
I know this is incorrect, I even deleted this post. I do not know why this is still here... hmm
So...all this to get out of a -2 on one roll? o.O
Well, -4 if you wish to use dual heavy shields, which is far more badass than dual light shields or heavy + light. :)
Could you use Bashing finish to get more shield bashes off your shield bashes?
I feel like that could get a bit silly. Two medium shields with keen shield spikes could net you a bunch of extra attacks.
Could you use Bashing finish to get more shield bashes off your shield bashes?
I feel like that could get a bit silly. Two medium shields with keen shield spikes could net you a bunch of extra attacks.
20x2 weapons aren't going to produce that many critical hits, even with keen/improved critical added in. You'd actually get a lot more free shield bashes by using a 18-20 x2 main weapon and shield bashing with your offhand.