Monte COok's Magister does this.
They can prepare spells, and cast any of the spells they have in memory with their spell slots. The kicker is they can build up a lot of spells in memory, but generally have fewer casting slots to play with.
In other words, an Int class has versatility, but not power.
==Aelryinth
I don't like the idea. Wizards, even with the guidelines in place, are one of the most powerful classes in the game (in my opinion) and such rules will make them even more so.
That said, however, you could have him prep spells as normal. He can, however, access any other spell in his spellbook at the cost of his health, i.e. 3 x spell level (or something appropriate) in hit points if it's not a normally memorized spell.
Or maybe spells can be cast from the spellbook but with a way longer casting time. That way it won't overpower the wizard during combat but all spells will be available in case they are needed and enough time is provided.
Or maybe spells can be cast from the spellbook but with a way longer casting time. That way it won't overpower the wizard during combat but all spells will be available in case they are needed and enough time is provided.
One would need to seriously boost the times or wizards would still outshine almost everyone even outside combat.
Or maybe spells can be cast from the spellbook but with a way longer casting time. That way it won't overpower the wizard during combat but all spells will be available in case they are needed and enough time is provided.One would need to seriously boost the times or wizards would still outshine almost everyone even outside combat.
I agree that is why I suggested a casting time. If for example an invisibility spells has a casting time of 1 round but the same spell has a 1 hour uninterrupted casting time from book the wizard will be limited on how many times he can use it unprepared.
Or maybe spells can be cast from the spellbook but with a way longer casting time. That way it won't overpower the wizard during combat but all spells will be available in case they are needed and enough time is provided.
I forsee a lot of sundered spellbooks, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. =)
You can make a sorcerer, get a spellbook, and get that item that lets you cast from a written source without expending it (from UE). Boom, spontaneous with a spellbook. Sorry I can't remember the name of the item, think it was robes of some kind.
Page of Spell Knowledge:
This page is covered in densely-worded arcane or divine magical runes. It contains the knowledge of a single arcane or divine spell (chosen by the creator when the item is crafted). If the bearer is a spontaneous spellcaster and has that spell on her class spell list, she may use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells known. A page of spell knowledge is priced based on the spell’s cleric or sorcerer/wizard spell level, unless the spell doesn’t appear on either of those spell lists, in which case it is based on the highest spell level as it appears on any other spell list. For example, a spell that is on the 4th-level inquisitor list and the 2nd-level paladin list is priced as a 4th-level spell.Going this route would be SERIOUSLY expensive, though, as the cost of a single page is (X * X,000g), where X is the level of the spell in question (so a 4th level spell would cost 4 x 4,000g = 16,000g). I don't even want to begin to fathom how much it would cost to make a proper spell book made entirely out of Pages of Spell Knowledge.
Another benefit is that this don't change current rules. Is just a table of from book casting times. So everything else remains the same.
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Maybe take a sorcerer and give it a bloodline that grants it a spellbook as a replacement for bloodline spells and arcana. The spellbook is in addition to the spells known, but only contains the spells known to the sorcerer to start. Additional spells can be scribed from scrolls and other spellbooks. The sorcerer can spend 2 spell slots to cast a spell from the spellbook that he/she doesn't "know", but must have the book in hand to do so. Throw in scribe scroll as a bloodline feat and spellcraft or linguistics as bloodline skills.
Sorry I'm stuck on sorcerer here, it seems to be the easiest base class to modify from.
The other important thing to consider is that the setting uses spells which on the whole are weaker than the standard D20 SRD set.Monte COok's Magister does this.
They can prepare spells, and cast any of the spells they have in memory with their spell slots. The kicker is they can build up a lot of spells in memory, but generally have fewer casting slots to play with.
In other words, an Int class has versatility, but not power.
==Aelryinth
mmm, hadn't really noticed that.
The ability to pick elemental types on the fly as a base ability, the 2nd or 3rd level spell that makes weapons touch attacks, Calling Down the Moon to completely recharge your spell slots...
Hmm, no, hadn't really seen that facet of the campaign world. :)
==Aelryinth
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I created a house rule in my games that allows spontaneous casters to use the same mechanics a wizard does to learn a new spell and copy one in his spellbook as for a sorcerer to learn a new spell in place of another one. So for example, a sorcerer would spend x amount of gold (depending on the spell level) and would make spellcraft checks and take a certain amount of time. Then he would swap out the spell he just learned for an equal level spell.
For example
A sorcerer knows magic missile, mage armor, ray of enfeeblement, and summon monster 1. Now the mission he's about to embark on is going to be heavy ROLE play and would like to know Comprehend Languages. Now, he could either barrow another spellcasters book that contains the spell, buy a scroll (25 gp), or pay to borrow a spellbook. Then he must buy reagents to learn the spell (10 gp for a 1st level spell) the same cost as writing a spell into a spellbook, make a spellcraft check to understand the spell (DC 16), and then requires an hour of study (30 min for cantrips). If this was studied from a scroll, the scroll is consumed in the process. He then choose to forget summon monster 1 for comprehend languages. If he ever wants summon monster 1 back, he has to go through the whole process over again.
The rules I based them off of are in the magic chapter of the core rulebook Chapter 9.
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I have a player who achieved this theme with the arcane bloodline, a spellbook as his arcane bond, and scribe scroll. Basically he packs a bunch of scrolls as his "spellbook" and his spells known reflect the spells he has "mastered". Otherwise he needs to look it up.
I quite like it.
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Maybe take a sorcerer and give it a bloodline that grants it a spellbook as a replacement for bloodline spells and arcana. The spellbook is in addition to the spells known, but only contains the spells known to the sorcerer to start. Additional spells can be scribed from scrolls and other spellbooks. The sorcerer can spend 2 spell slots to cast a spell from the spellbook that he/she doesn't "know", but must have the book in hand to do so. Throw in scribe scroll as a bloodline feat and spellcraft or linguistics as bloodline skills.
Sorry I'm stuck on sorcerer here, it seems to be the easiest base class to modify from.
Take a look at the learned sorcerer archtype, it is almost the same as what you said.
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I include in my games a houserules that you can cast from a spellbook or other reference but it takes longer and a successful spellcraft check (DC 15+ double spell level + 4 if not intimately familier with the writing) if successfull you expend an appropriate spell slot and the spell is cast. If for any reason you need to make a concentration check or lose the spell, +10 to that checks DC. Also you can only take 5' steps during those rounds. Cannot apply metamagic feats except silent spell.
Generally a SA spell would become 2-3 rnds
This way a surprised party can defend the wizard while he tries to cast that special something but if he gets hit it becomes difficult, and with two rounds of holding a spellbook out and focusing on it, not many won't notice.
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Only had someone make use of it in one game, didn't seem OP but my GMing style is difficult for that. I am spontaneous and tend to adapt my encounters to what you put out rather then what your sheet says, but it helped him most with utility spells out of combat (in a heavy magic world this seemed fine)
The first method was used, the second method is just refluffing the existing rules for scrolls.
The mnemonic robe is what people are thinking of. It lets you cast from a spellbook or scroll using sorcerer slots and spellcasting ability once a day. It costs 5000 gp.
If you have a generous GM, you might be able to get one with multiple shots per day, at appropriately increased cost.
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The mnemonic robe is what people are thinking of. It lets you cast from a spellbook or scroll using sorcerer slots and spellcasting ability once a day. It costs 5000 gp.
If you have a generous GM, you might be able to get one with multiple shots per day, at appropriately increased cost.
Thank you, I knew the Page of Spell Knowledge wasn't it. You could also buy multiples and change clothes throughout the day. Seems like something a high CHA character would do anyway.
A wizard with a bonded object gains the ability to cast any spell from his spellbook once per day -- that is the closest that a wizard comes to spontaneous casting.
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A wizard with a bonded object gains the ability to cast any spell from his spellbook once per day -- that is the closest that a wizard comes to spontaneous casting.
You are correct, but as this is homebrew forum, any ideas are possible. We could let wizards get all spells added to their spellbook when they reached a high enough level and cast any of them spontaneously. Or at-will wish with no component cost. Or give that ability to fighters. I believe the point is to expand that ability to be useful more than 1/day, or something equivalent/similar.
In that case, borrowing the spellcasting technique from the spellcasting classes in Arcana Evolved or the spell point system from Unearthed Arcana would be ideas to consider. Or what about the wordcasting system from Ultimate Magic?