Pathfinder PreGens illegal stats? WTH?

[Mistique]

Hey,

Played me first game of pathfinder last night and as i was not up generating a character yet, i downloaded some of the pregens.
On arriving home and getting PC_Gen to create a character i found that i couldn't use Pregen fighters stats as a guide for my own fighter, because it's used 25pts, not the 20 that are allowed.
Thinking this was strange i asked a friend in PFS to confirm the points used, and 20 is the correct amount allowed.
I went and checked the other Pregens that i downloaded.
Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Pts
Wizard = 27pts 10(0) 14(5) 13(3) 18(17) 12(2) 10(0) = 27
Gunslinger = 23pts 12(2) 16(10) 14(5) 10(0) 15(7) 11(1) = 25
Ninja = 27pts 10(0) 18(17) 10(0) 13(3) 12(2) 14(5) = 27
Samurai = 24pts 15(7) 13(3) 15(7) 10(0) 14(5) 12(2) = 24
Fighter = 25pts 16(10) 15(7) 14(5) 12(2) 10(0) 11(1) = 25

Now, am i missing something or are these just not checked before being uploaded?

[Mighty Squash]

Are you remembering to undo the racial modifiers before working out the points?

[Maezer]

I don't actually have the sheets in front of me. But I think its probable you are ignoring the racial modifiers.

[BigNorseWolf]

10(0) 14(5) 13(3) 16+2(10) 12(2) 10(0) = 20

Point buys are calculated before racial stats are added in. If you put your racial bonuses towards your higher stats, you get more effective points out of them.

Point buy calculator

[Serisan]

If you just quit coughing at your bird of prey, it wouldn't be sick all the time.

[Dosgamer]

And don't forget that Ezren (wizard) is middle-aged which affects his stats after point buy allocations.

[Maggiethecat]

Pathfinder Society does not use the additional rules for middle/old/venerable age. While you can play a character of any age for flavor, old characters do not get any of the bonuses or penalties to their stats associated with age.

If you look at Ezran's stats, it does work out to a 20pt buy with the Human racial modifier factored in, as BigNorseWolf pointed out.

[The floor is lava]

Serisan, I see what you did there..

[Saiman]

Where do we get the new and improved pregens?

Thanks.

[Captain K.]

They are available. Paizo staff posted them on the PFS forum. Link to the PDF.

Crowe the Bloodrager is excellent, pretty much optimised.