Kitsune Change Shape ability

[poundpuppy30]

I understand they can change shape and stay in that form as long as they want but are they limit to any human form of the same sex? What I mean is can they change to different human form or is it just one form and one form only?

[poundpuppy30]

I'm also asking this because they get a +10 to disguise checks made to appear human. So does that mean they get a +10 to disguise checks (lets say I'm a rogue kitsune with disguise skill and I change into a human I see on a street i just left so does the +10 go to disguise or to appearing like a human in general)?

[Nefreet]

You should try posting this in the Rules Forum, as it is not PFS specific. You'll probably have better luck over there finding an answer.

[BigNorseWolf]

Change Shape (Su): A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex. The kitsune always takes this specific form when she uses this ability. A kitsune in human form cannot use her bite attack, but gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human. Changing shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as alter self, except that the kitsune does not adjust her ability scores.

So they have a specific look when they're human: its one form and one form only. If you see Reynard the kitsune as a human on monday, and then on wednesday, he looks exactly the same... unless he takes the Realistic likeness feat. In which case he could be anyone male or female.

[LazarX]

poundpuppy30 wrote:

I understand they can change shape and stay in that form as long as they want but are they limit to any human form of the same sex? What I mean is can they change to different human form or is it just one form and one form only?

The bestiary entry is very specific on this. They change shape into one specific form. So unless other effects/feats/etc. are in play, they change into the exact same human shape each time. If you think about it, there is a specific kitsune feat which would then have no reason to exist, otherwise.

[lemeres]

Yeah, with the base change shape, you are limited to a specific human.

Admittedly, you could take the Realistic Likeness feat at any level (only prereq is the race), and turn into specific humans, which grants another +10 to disguise I believe. The fact that you could combine this with Swift kitsune shapechanger feat at around level 7 or 9 makes this power downright frightening. You just have to gain any type of cover, such as rounding a corner, and with a swift action you can get away scot free.

[Hugh Adams]

lemeres wrote:

Yeah, with the base change shape, you are limited to a specific human.

Admittedly, you could take the Realistic Likeness feat at any level (only prereq is the race), and turn into specific humans, which grants another +10 to disguise I believe. The fact that you could combine this with Swift kitsune shapechanger feat at around level 7 or 9 makes this power downright frightening. You just have to gain any type of cover, such as rounding a corner, and with a swift action you can get away scot free.

Don't forget the -10 to disguise though for trying to disguise yourself as another race, Human does not count as their true form, just one of their 2 starting forms, so the racial penalty counteracts the +10 change shape. Unless you can find a rules based reason why this is not so.

[IrishWonda]

Hugh Adams wrote:

lemeres wrote:

Yeah, with the base change shape, you are limited to a specific human.

Admittedly, you could take the Realistic Likeness feat at any level (only prereq is the race), and turn into specific humans, which grants another +10 to disguise I believe. The fact that you could combine this with Swift kitsune shapechanger feat at around level 7 or 9 makes this power downright frightening. You just have to gain any type of cover, such as rounding a corner, and with a swift action you can get away scot free.

Don't forget the -10 to disguise though for trying to disguise yourself as another race, Human does not count as their true form, just one of their 2 starting forms, so the racial penalty counteracts the +10 change shape. Unless you can find a rules based reason why this is not so.

Actually this came up the other day while discussing this online with another friend of mine. We couldn't come to a conclusion whether or not that -10 penalty applied. If they change into a human no problem, they get the extra +10, but any other race besides human and their native form should incur a -10 penalty. I could be wrong though. Seems like a frightening powerful ability to have though in certain situations.