Paladin / Cavalier etc mount options?

[Stubs McKenzie]

All special mounts use the Druid's animal companion rules, so does that mean a paladin/cav/samurai/etc can no longer aquire a magical beast instead of an animal? I saw that a paladin's mount ~acts~ as if it is a magical beast at 11th, but it doesn't make them into a magical beast, or allow a magical beast to be then chosen. Am I forgetting a feat or something, or are pegasus/unicorn/griffons no longer mount options?

[Starglim]

The short answer is no.

If a GM allowed them, she'd have to create new companion progressions for these creatures. It seems feasible - the pteranodon and roc companions in the Bestiary might be suitable starting points. Presumably they would require a minimum level.

[Stubs McKenzie]

The roc already has animal companion stats and such, with (apparently?) no minimum level. Looking at the Dragonne in the bonus bestiary, it also has stats for becoming an animal companion, but I am having a lot of trouble understanding if the intent was to not allow someone to gain the animal companion until 10th, or just the Dragonne as a leadership cohort. If it is just as a cohort that the level restriction applies it seems too powerful, but 10th level for the animal companion seems weak? It says it functions as an animal companion at Druid lvl -4, so should it be available starting druid lvl 5? If i can figure this one out, maybe i can engineer more magical beast companions for use... silly that they didnt include the classic griffon/pegasus options for at least the paladin :(

[Starglim]

Stubs McKenzie wrote:

Looking at the Dragonne in the bonus bestiary, it also has stats for becoming an animal companion, but I am having a lot of trouble understanding if the intent was to not allow someone to gain the animal companion until 10th, or just the Dragonne as a leadership cohort. If it is just as a cohort that the level restriction applies it seems too powerful, but 10th level for the animal companion seems weak? It says it functions as an animal companion at Druid lvl -4, so should it be available starting druid lvl 5? If i can figure this one out, maybe i can engineer more magical beast companions for use... silly that they didnt include the classic griffon/pegasus options for at least the paladin :(

Good find. Yes, while it's not entirely clear, edit: it seems to allow the dragonne as an animal companion from a minimum of 10th (effective druid) level with the Leadership feat, so 10th level cavalier or 10th level paladin would work. At 10th level, the creature has statistics as for a 6th level druid. It gets the listed 10th level advancement 4 levels later (14th level cavalier or paladin). Presumably this would work differently for a magical beast with different typical Hit Dice.

[nick murray 549]

I dont really understand animal companion rules.

It seems like a hunter pet in wow where they magically lose stats and size in some categories. Like large cat. If you find one in the wild they have a str of 21. but if your lucky enough to get one as a 1st level druid then it drops to 13 str and drops a size category from large to med.

Same thing with the horse. If you purchase a horse it drops from a 16 str to a 13 and keeps its size.

[Davor]

Stubs McKenzie wrote:

The roc already has animal companion stats and such, with (apparently?) no minimum level. Looking at the Dragonne in the bonus bestiary, it also has stats for becoming an animal companion, but I am having a lot of trouble understanding if the intent was to not allow someone to gain the animal companion until 10th, or just the Dragonne as a leadership cohort. If it is just as a cohort that the level restriction applies it seems too powerful, but 10th level for the animal companion seems weak? It says it functions as an animal companion at Druid lvl -4, so should it be available starting druid lvl 5? If i can figure this one out, maybe i can engineer more magical beast companions for use... silly that they didnt include the classic griffon/pegasus options for at least the paladin :(

The Dragonne is no longer considered a legal Animal Companion (PFSRD)

[Stubs McKenzie]

Thanks for the link Davor. Are there any compatible 3rd party products that would allow magical beasts and already have a number of them already on paper, or am i going to have to homebrew that creature by creature?

[Starglim]

Davor wrote:

Stubs McKenzie wrote:

The roc already has animal companion stats and such, with (apparently?) no minimum level. Looking at the Dragonne in the bonus bestiary, it also has stats for becoming an animal companion, but I am having a lot of trouble understanding if the intent was to not allow someone to gain the animal companion until 10th, or just the Dragonne as a leadership cohort. If it is just as a cohort that the level restriction applies it seems too powerful, but 10th level for the animal companion seems weak? It says it functions as an animal companion at Druid lvl -4, so should it be available starting druid lvl 5? If i can figure this one out, maybe i can engineer more magical beast companions for use... silly that they didnt include the classic griffon/pegasus options for at least the paladin :(

The Dragonne is no longer considered a legal Animal Companion (PFSRD)

True - which is probably a good thing, because I'd want to change the Bonus Bestiary procedure.

[Marc Radle]

Stubs McKenzie wrote:

Thanks for the link Davor. Are there any compatible 3rd party products that would allow magical beasts and already have a number of them already on paper, or am i going to have to homebrew that creature by creature?

Have you taken a look at the two Advanced Options: cavalier orders releases from Super Genius Games? One of the orders allows a griffon mount, another a unicorn etc...

[Stubs McKenzie]

I have both a paladin and a samurai rolled up, no cavalier :P

[seekerofshadowlight]

Samurai is a cavalier :)