Guys, sorry if this' a stupid question, but I searched to exaustion here and couldn't find it.
The wording in mirror image says that, if the attack is a hit, one should "roll randomly" to determine whether he hit the target or a figment. But what the hell do they mean about "roll randomly"? Like, if I have 8 images there is a chance of 1 in 9 that the attacker will hit? I just cant find the explanation to it anywhere, neither the ruling for "random rolls" on the Core Rulebook!
Thanks a lot!!
You've pretty much got it. If you have 8 images, the chances are 1 in 9 that the attack hits you. Roll a d%. On a 1-11, the attack hits you. On a 12-100, the attack hits an image. If it hits an image, the next attack only has a 1 in 8 chance (i.e. 7 images remaining). Adjust the percentage and roll your d% accordingly.
Just ooc, when using a d8, how do you account for the loss of an image? Re-rolls?
Correct, reroll for a result that is no longer possible Eg:
6 images left
1 = You, 2-7 = Image, 8 = re-roll
Just ooc, when using a d8, how do you account for the loss of an image? Re-rolls?
Yes. And then as the images are destroyed, you move down a die. And so on.
If you roll higher than the number of images remaining, it's a hit on the actual target. I don't understand what you mean about rerolls.
Edit: Ah. That explains why everyone thinks mirror image is so good. I'll have to rethink how I handle it. Maybe break out my d5 and d7.
I was gonna say. If you roll a d8 and there's only 2 images, you're hitting on 3-8. It is meant to be an equal chance per image. So 4 images +PC=5, so a d5.
We've always done 1 hits PC, 2-x where x is 1+number of images=hits an image >x reroll. Then it doesn't matter what die you roll, though you may need to reroll a LOT if you use a d20 or something.
I thought the most you could have is 7, so I always used a d8.
from d20pfsrd Mirror Image:
When mirror image is cast, 1d4 images plus one image per three caster levels (maximum eight images total) are created.8 images + 1 caster = 9 hittable targets at maximum effect.
So start with a d10 and work your way down the dice.
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Other Mirror Image-related questions, for which I didn't want to open a new threat (and induce a cascade of unrelated and totally unhelpful responses <_<);
- What happens with the figments, created from the subject under the effect of the Mirror Image-spell, when the subject becomes invisible. I'd assume the figments also become invisible, but then: What happens when the invisible creature is attacked? A concealment-roll is made to determine whether an invisible creature is hit or not, but since the additional (and invisible) figments are not a valid target in this case, I assume the effects of the Mirror Image-spell are circumvented.
Also in the same scenario, if the concealment-roll, from the invisibility, makes the attacker miss his target, can a figment still be destroyed. The attacker did in fact swing his weapon through the space occupied by both the invisible creature and all the figments.
In other words; The concealment granted by the invisibility made the attacker miss the creature, but maybe not his Figments? - Since any figment has an AC value (AC10 for medium sized figments). What happens when a subject under the effect of a Mirror Image-spell is attacked, but the attacker missed by 5 or less AND the total result is less than the AC of the figments. Is one of the figments still destroyed?
Thanks for you answers. Note that the first question may actually have severe side effects, since Mirror-Imaged creatures might suffer in their defenses if made invisible (a condition surprising easily gained, considering you can also blind yourself for the same results!)
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Bog, the rules are decidedly silent on the things you asked, so my reply is an opinion and not a statement of some rule. You can add that I am more used to the 3.5 version of the game than pathfinder, so tak my opinion with some caution.
* If the subject under the effect of mirror image become invisible the images become invisible. "These images remain in your space and move with you, mimicking your movements, sounds, and actions exactly" to me mean that the images repeat all your actions, including projecting light if you have a light source in your hand and becoming invisible if you become invisible.
* If the subject under the effect of mirror image become invisible the images become invisible. The image is still "mimicking your ... sounds, .... exactly", so they still create a false sensory impression. That will make them somewhat functional against people using sound to locate you.
This is interesting as the subject of MI will make the sound of several persons (up to 9, him and 8 figments), making it easier to pinpoint his square. On the other hand they will make harder to locate his exact position, somewhat fooling blind fighting.
Till 5 minutes ago I hadn't noticed this particularity of the spell. I have some difficulty deciding what will be the effect of this on your miss chance thank to multiple "images".
* Before noticing the part above, my opinion was that hitting an image was a way to "disbelief" it as you were interacting with it in a forceful way. If the image was invisible you were not interacting with it and so you had no way to disbelieve it.
As the image has a sound part and you can interact with the location from which that sound is originating even if the "image" is invisible judging the situation become more difficult.
So my opinion is that if you were to miss the invisible opponent AC by 5 or less you still have the chance to interact with one of the figments, with the standard 50% miss chance for invisibility.
If you were to hit the figment it would be destroyed as for normal conditions.
The spell should somewhat impair the use of blind fighting but it is hard to judge to what level.
I am curious to see what other people think of this opinion as looking it this way make it a difficult spell combination to adjudicate.
I did not read the entire thread, but here is how I do it as an example.
If there are 6 images plus the caster then I use a D8
Rolls 1 to 6 target an image. The caster is always the high number. In this case a 7. If I roll an 8 then I disregard and roll again.
As for concealment spells that has been answered before, but it is not in the FAQ since it was before the FAQ was made. They two affects stack, and if you don't bypass the 50% nothing is hit. The 50% is only to check if anything was hit. It is a very annoying combination for noncasters to deal with.
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What happens with the figments, created from the subject under the effect of the Mirror Image-spell, when the subject becomes invisible. I'd assume the figments also become invisible, but then: What happens when the invisible creature is attacked? The images must become invisible, because the spell description says that if the attacker can't see you, mirror image doesn't fool them.
"An attacker must be able to see the figments to be fooled. If you are invisible or the attacker is blind, the spell has no effect (although the normal miss chances still apply)."
You are right, I had missed this:
An attacker must be able to see the figments to be fooled. If you are invisible or the attacker is blind, the spell has no effect (although the normal miss chances still apply).
So the images "mimicking your ... sounds, .... exactly" is only fluff.
That make it way simpler. I return to my original opinion: if you are invisible, your images are invisible and will not be interacted with, so they aren't destroyed.
Thanks moon glum.