What is the soonest a character could take the dimension agility chain. Also would dimension agility work with the Shadowdancer ability to dimension door between shadows and if that holds true would it also work with the "shadow step" spell?
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What is the soonest a character could take the dimension agility chain. Also would dimension agility work with the Shadowdancer ability to dimension door between shadows and if that holds true would it also work with the "shadow step" spell?
The fastest I can figure a character to get to 'full Nightcrawler' (i.e. Dimensional Savant) is level 15, as a wizard 5/fighter 1/eldritch knight 9. With this build, you qualify to take the 4 important feats at 9, 11, 13 and 15. It's level 17 if you want Dimensional Maneuvers as well.
If you're talking the earliest you can get access with a build, the earliest that you can take the first 2 feats (Dimensional Agility and Dimensional Assault) is at 7th and 9th as a full wizard, but then you don't qualify for the 3rd (Dimensional Dervish) until 12th level, and don't qualify for Dimensional Savant (or Dimensional Maneuvers, though why the hell would you want it?) until 18th. You have no reason to take the chain as this character, though, considering you're a full wizard and the chain rewards melee combatants.
As written, the ability only works with the spell dimension door and the monk ability abundant step. The shadow dancer's shadow jump and the shadow step spell, though they grant powers 'that function like dimension door' are not the spell dimension door, and thus don't qualify.
Would the 8th lvl power from the Travel domain qualify?
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Would the 8th lvl power from the Travel domain qualify?
Easy question - think about it this way:
Q) Does the Travel power domain grant the spell (or spell-like ability) dimension door, or the 'abundant step' monk ability?
A) No, it grants the spell-like ability dimension hop.
Doesn't qualify.
However, being an 8th level cleric with the Travel domain does qualify you anyway, as you get dimension door as a domain spell!
Hm. A Travel cleric can qualify as early as 15th as well, then. Cool! (Again, qualify at 8th, feats at 9, 11, 13, 15.) Unfortunately this build only has 1 dimension door per day, plus one more for each higher level domain slot they fill with the spell.
not that it matters but I am surprised that Ninjas did not get a trick or advanced trick allowing them to do this.
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Hmm, if you sacrificed a little martial power:
1-7 wizard 7 Dimension Door + Dimensional Agility
8 fighter 1
9 Eldritch knight 1 Dimensional Assault
10 EK 2
11 EK 4th Dimensional Dervish
12 EK 5th
13 EK 6th Dimensional Savant
The problem is that frustrating gap where you have 2 levels of no spell progression right where you get dimension door.
Similarly Summoners can get to Dimensional Savant at 13th level. I don't see a lot of people doing melee summoners but it could be an interesting concept though :P
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Seems like they put dimension door specific requirements just to keep things like demons from having too much fun with this.
Well...
I wrote it a little more open ended and in development they added the dimension door limit. While I liked the idea of having it be open ended I think Steven (or Sean, not sure which) made a good call in limiting it. This is simpler and less prone to possible rules hacks.
I don't think they were worried about demons going crazy with it, I think they were worried about something far more destructive, rules lawyers.
As someone who's big on condensing feat chains, I'd be interested in people's opinion be if I made Dimensional Assault, Dimensional Dervish, and Dimensional Savant into one feat, which scaled up with BAB? So you'd take Dimensional Assault, and at BAB +6, you'd automatically gain the benefits of Dimensional Dervish, and then the benefits of Dimensional Savant at BAB +9?
i think bards and magi qualify for it.
Is there a legal ruling about whether or not the shift power from the a teleportation sub-school qualifies for dimensional agility? It's a supernatural ability that behaves "as if using dimension door."
Shift (Su): At 1st level, you can teleport to a nearby space as a swift action as if using dimension door. This movement does not provoke an attack of opportunity. You must be able to see the space that you are moving into. You cannot take other creatures with you when you use this ability (except for familiars). You can move 5 feet for every two wizard levels you possess (minimum 5 feet). You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Intelligence modifier.
The Magus is probably one of the best suited for it.
At 11th they take Dimensional Agility and unless you REALLY want to flank with yourself, you don't need any of the others. Honestly, Dimensional Assault and Dervish are fairly situational for the Magus at that point compared to the Monk who can grow the chain into a full attack action.
With spell combat you can Cast Dimensional Agility next to someone and do a full attack and then 5 foot step as needed. Or Full attack then BAMF away.
With spell recall (which costs 2 Arcane points to reload DD at those levels) it's even easier to keep you from just making it a once/twice a day investment for the move too.
With Force Hook Charge you can cover the 'charge' flavor of quick movement (still not a true teleport, but between the two you can get your BAMF action on)
Is there a legal ruling about whether or not the shift power from the a teleportation sub-school qualifies for dimensional agility? It's a supernatural ability that behaves "as if using dimension door."
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The feat requires you to be able to cast dimension door (or use abundant step). Supernatural abilities are not cast; spells and spell-like abilities are. The Teleportation subschool power won't work with this feat chain.
Note that the Synthesist Summoner maker's jump power does, however, as it's a spell-like ability that allows you to cast dimension door.
What about a conjurer(teleportation) wizard that took the feat at 7th? fulfilling the perrequisite ability to cast DD. Could it then apply the benefit of the feat to it's shift ability? Toughts?