Abraham spalding |
Save throws also account for luck as well as being really good at things.
It's the same sort of thing that allows you to have a save throw when coup'd'grac (sp?) while asleep -- by all rights you should be dead, but you still get the save throw.
Unconscious? You get a will save against the mind affecting power still.
Deliberately eating highly poisonous stuff that will kill you? Still get a fortitude save.
You always get a save.
King of Vrock |
So a paralyzed character at the center of a Fireball is permitted a save? Yes, I cannot locate anything in the RAW that says the PC is hosed, but it just seems intuitive/logical/reasonable that if you are unable to move, you could not duck out of the way.
Reflex saves don't require you to be able to move at all. If I'm Jimmy Booyah the Rogue with Evasion leaning against a tree and Blasto the Evoker shoots a fireball at me I could not move an eyebrow and make my save and take no damage. Whether it's fate, sheer dumb luck, or whatever Jimmy doesn't even flinch and can take no damage.
If I'm Brutus the Mighty Fighter and The Faceless Priest of Rovagug paralyzes me with a Hold Person then next round drops a Flame Strike on me I still get a Reflex save and if the dice gods are kind (what with zero dex giving me a -5 to my base save, plus any magic I might have) I could only take half.
--Vrockslide
TriOmegaZero |
No.
A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed, unable to react normally to the situation. A flat-footed character loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) and cannot make attacks of opportunity.
Unless an ability specifically says 'target loses Dex bonus to Reflex saves' you always get your Dex to Reflex saves. I cannot think of a single instance of an ability saying that.
Abraham spalding |
Reflex saves don't require you to be able to move at all. If I'm Jimmy Booyah the Rogue with Evasion leaning against a tree and Blasto the Evoker shoots a fireball at me I could not move an eyebrow and make my save and take no damage. Whether it's fate, sheer dumb luck, or whatever Jimmy doesn't even flinch and can take no damage.
This isn't true:
At 2nd level and higher, a rogue can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. If she makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, she instead takes no damage. Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor. A helpless rogue does not gain the benefit of evasion.
Paralyzed renders you helpless meaning you don't get evasion --
you still get the save throw though.
LazarX |
So a paralyzed character at the center of a Fireball is permitted a save? Yes, I cannot locate anything in the RAW that says the PC is hosed, but it just seems intuitive/logical/reasonable that if you are unable to move, you could not duck out of the way.
Yes, he's permitted a save. Of course he's got an effective Dex of Zero so it's a save with a hefty penalty but a save nonetheless.