Those of you who are finished or part way through Kingmaker know that fey born on the first world are unable to bond with the positive energy plane. So what would happen to a human baby born on the first world and then brought back? Would he be unable to bond with the positive energy plane? What other differences would he have compared to other humans?
What does the paizo community think?
side note: I'm not a GM I'm just curious.
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Those of you who are finished or part way through Kingmaker know that fey born on the first world are unable to bond with the positive energy plane. So what would happen to a human baby born on the first world and then brought back? Would he be unable to bond with the positive energy plane? What other differences would he have compared to other humans?
What does the paizo community think?
side note: I'm not a GM I'm just curious.
That's a really interesting question.
For now, I'd leave that up to the GM if it comes up in any game... but if I were to nail it down for canon purposes, I'd probably say that a human born on the First World would come out normal, as a human. A human CONCEIVED on the first world, however, might come out as a half-fey or advanced human or something like that, and would maybe even gain the Extraplanar subtype when not on the First World.
Of course, that starts treading into some sketchy philosophical territory—aka: "At what point does a fetus have a soul?" and stuff like that that can really quickly get distracted by real-world politics that I don't really think has much of a place being debated on a thread in the Kingmaker forums. So don't do it!
That's a really interesting question.For now, I'd leave that up to the GM if it comes up in any game... but if I were to nail it down for canon purposes, I'd probably say that a human born on the First World would come out normal, as a human. A human CONCEIVED on the first world, however, might come out as a half-fey or advanced human or something like that, and would maybe even gain the Extraplanar subtype when not on the First World.
Of course, that starts treading into some sketchy philosophical territory—aka: "At what point does a fetus have a soul?" and stuff like that that can really quickly get distracted by real-world politics that I don't really think has much of a place being debated on a thread in the Kingmaker forums. So don't do it!
Half fey I'll have to think on that one and thanks for the warning. I'd hate for this to turn into a problem thread
The abilities of the Fey Bloodline at the very least, I think.
I think that a problem with using Fey Sorcerer to determine abilities he would have, is that what happens if the he actually does take Fey Sorcerer levels you then would have to think what abilities he would get instead, how to balance them with other Sorcerer Bloodlines. thanks for the idea though.
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I think that a problem with using Fey Sorcerer to determine abilities he would have, is that what happens if the he actually does take Fey Sorcerer levels you then would have to think what abilities he would get instead, how to balance them with other Sorcerer Bloodlines. thanks for the idea though.
At character creation, if the Human takes his/her first level as Fey Sorcerer, than it's because he was strongly linked to the First World. If not, give them the arcana or the first level ability, usable once a day.
At character creation, if the Human takes his/her first level as Fey Sorcerer, than it's because he was strongly linked to the First World. If not, give them the arcana or the first level ability.
Ah i thought you meant that he got abilities based on level. Thanks for the clarification
Any more comments?
You're posting this in the Kingmaker forums and Kingmaker campaign (and the Brevoy/RiverKingdoms) area is more classically "European" than other areas of Golarion.
Therefore, I'd go off of classic European myths around fae and half-fae:
- you cannot suffer the sound of bells: they cause you pain and fear
- the month of May (or the Golarion-equivilant) makes you weak and during it you more susceptable to injury and magic
- you find yourself unable to be sexually/romatically attracted to human women, finding them too round and gross; only elves or fae can attract your attention
- religion makes you skittish, and you believe if you ever undergo a conversion rite (ie baptism), you will die
- you believe marriage is for life, until you actually get married, then you inexplicably feel a terrible need to flee to a faraway land
- you are incredibly beautiful (please note that there is more to "charisma" than just "dashing looks") to the point that you can break up other lovers if you show interest in one of them
Or were you looking more for crunch?
A human CONCEIVED on the first world, however, might come out as a half-fey or advanced human or something like that
Very insightful. I always wondered how those leprachauns got all those pots of gold. Now we know: They run a Hotel by the Hour for power-hungry mortals. :D
Let's not incite a holy war because of political agendas and ignore the whole conception vs birth thing.
But the idea that a human child born of human parents will get a significant power boost just because any part of its creation happened in a different plane does sound weird.
Personally, I'd say that a human child (mother and father human) who was conceived (or born, depending on what alternative stops you, the reader, sharpening your torches and lighting your pitch forks) would be one of those cases where a human without supernatural ancestry becomes a sorcerer.
In the game world that means that a fey sorcerer would not have to have some fairy ancestor, it could just be that her parents were in the first world at some time somewhat less than a year before her birth.
Out of game it means that it won't net you any bonus like a template or anything, but just an explanation why your character is a sorcerer with the fey bloodline that doesn't involve your nanna frolicking with satyrs or something like that. It also means that if you play a fighter, you don't get anything out of this other than an interesting character background (which is not polite table conversation, though).
The most I could see for this is a trait (or, if you prefer, a background feat).
That way, such options remain within easy reach for player characters without involving a big power boost.
Similar origins can work for sorcerers of other bloodlines.
A human CONCEIVED on the first world, however, might come out as a half-fey or advanced human or something like thatVery insightful. I always wondered how those leprachauns got all those pots of gold. Now we know: They run a Hotel by the Hour for power-hungry mortals. :D
Let's not incite a holy war because of political agendas and ignore the whole conception vs birth thing.
But the idea that a human child born of human parents will get a significant power boost just because any part of its creation happened in a different plane does sound weird.
Personally, I'd say that a human child (mother and father human) who was conceived (or born, depending on what alternative stops you, the reader, sharpening your torches and lighting your pitch forks) would be one of those cases where a human without supernatural ancestry becomes a sorcerer.
In the game world that means that a fey sorcerer would not have to have some fairy ancestor, it could just be that her parents were in the first world at some time somewhat less than a year before her birth.
Out of game it means that it won't net you any bonus like a template or anything, but just an explanation why your character is a sorcerer with the fey bloodline that doesn't involve your nanna frolicking with satyrs or something like that. It also means that if you play a fighter, you don't get anything out of this other than an interesting character background (which is not polite table conversation, though).
The most I could see for this is a trait (or, if you prefer, a background feat).
That way, such options remain within easy reach for player characters without involving a big power boost.
Similar origins can work for sorcerers of other bloodlines.
Seems fair to tweak their abilities a bit, they might be no more powerful than normal humans, so maybe they lose their bonus feat then gain fey-like abilities back. Thanks for the trait idea though.
You're posting this in the Kingmaker forums and Kingmaker campaign (and the Brevoy/RiverKingdoms) area is more classically "European" than other areas of Golarion.
Therefore, I'd go off of classic European myths around fae and half-fae:
- you cannot suffer the sound of bells: they cause you pain and fear
- the month of May (or the Golarion-equivilant) makes you weak and during it you more susceptable to injury and magic
- you find yourself unable to be sexually/romatically attracted to human women, finding them too round and gross; only elves or fae can attract your attention
- religion makes you skittish, and you believe if you ever undergo a conversion rite (ie baptism), you will die
- you believe marriage is for life, until you actually get married, then you inexplicably feel a terrible need to flee to a faraway land
- you are incredibly beautiful (please note that there is more to "charisma" than just "dashing looks") to the point that you can break up other lovers if you show interest in one of themOr were you looking more for crunch?
A balance in between Crunch and Role-Playing to be honest. The ideas that they gain a weakness during the month of May and the bells cause pain and fear are interesting. Where did you get them from, exactly?
Those of you who are finished or part way through Kingmaker know that fey born on the first world are unable to bond with the positive energy plane. So what would happen to a human baby born on the first world and then brought back? Would he be unable to bond with the positive energy plane? What other differences would he have compared to other humans?
What does the paizo community think?
side note: I'm not a GM I'm just curious.
Going by the Great Beyond.. The Positive Energy Plane is the source of all souls. If the First World simply has no connection to the Positive Energy Plane, then a human or other mortal conceived there may well be a soulless husk, perhaps inhabited by some fey spirit rather than the soul they should have had.
Such a being could conceivably be stronger than a normal mortal (giving the advanced template or other powers recommended by James), but could suffer from other issues - like not being a valid target for Raise Dead or Reincarnate because there's nothing there to revive.
To make it even more complicated, you can have an attempted raise magic effect give a real body to whatever fey spirit got stuck in the soulless shell that thought it was a person.
You might all be making this a bit complicated. Why not simply say that he's mechanically a Gnome?
My husband picked up this idea for my Pitax bard, and so far it seems that the benefits of being fey-touched has been to roll beneath 10 on every perform check to appease them.
It's sad, really.
Or as Mitch Hedberg jested once, everyone either loves her, or hates her, or they just think she's okay.