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If I'm wearing a bracer of armor, and someone casts magic vestment on my clothes (no armor worn), do they stack?
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As bracers of armor grant an armor bonus and magic vestment grants an enhancement bonus, I'd say maybe.
However, the spell also notes that regular clothing does not grant an AC bonus at all for this spell.
So it could be useful to clarify with your DM if the bracers are considered part of the clothing (and thus useful for the spell purposes, see above), or they're not, in which case the spell is wasted.
IMO, they shouldn't stack, as the spell is quite specific in the description - armor or shield is OK, but not clothing. However the "regular clothing" part could be discussed further.
If I'm wearing a bracer of armor, and someone casts magic vestment on my clothes (no armor worn), do they stack?
No. Armor Bonuses do not stack. AC Bonuses from different sources stack.
Bracers of Armor give an Armor Bonus.
Magic Vestment gives an Enhancement Bonus to the Armor Bonus of the clothing (which happens to be 0).
So you'd take whichever is higher, the enhanced armor bonus of the clothes, or the armor bonus of the bracers, whichever is higher.
I would agree. One is an enhancement bonus and one is an Armour bonus. The two stack.
You can't have an enhancement bonus all by itself. It enhances an underlying bonus.
Let's take natural armor for example. A human has a Natural Armor of +0 for purposes of an amulet of natural armor. Therefor, his natural armor total is 0 (his natural armor bonus) and if it's a +3 amulet, a +3 Enhancement to natural armor. If a human wasn't considered to have a 0, you couldn't have him wear an amulet of natural armor and get benefit, because an enhancement bonus is just that, an enhancement of an existing bonus.
In the above example, the clothing is the armor bonus being enhanced, they have an armor bonus of 0 (per the spell) for purposes of the spell. So you are enhancing 0 to something else based on the caster level.
Bracers of armor have a built in armor bonus all their own. Armor bonus is enhanced. And armor bonus from two different sources don't stack. It would be the same has having say, a set of mithral chain and a set of +2 leather armor on at same time. The +2 enhancement bonus on the leather armor enhances the leather armor, not the mithrel chain. Therefore it's +5 Armor Bonus is better than the +4 from the mithrel chain, and so you get the +5, not +4 mithrel and +2 from leather armor.
I would agree. One is an enhancement bonus and one is an Armour bonus. The two stack.You can't have an enhancement bonus all by itself. It enhances an underlying bonus.
Let's take natural armor for example. A human has a Natural Armor of +0 for purposes of an amulet of natural armor. Therefor, his natural armor total is 0 (his natural armor bonus) and if it's a +3 amulet, a +3 Enhancement to natural armor. If a human wasn't considered to have a 0, you couldn't have him wear an amulet of natural armor and get benefit, because an enhancement bonus is just that, an enhancement of an existing bonus.
In the above example, the clothing is the armor bonus being enhanced, they have an armor bonus of 0 (per the spell) for purposes of the spell. So you are enhancing 0 to something else based on the caster level.
Bracers of armor have a built in armor bonus all their own. Armor bonus is enhanced. And armor bonus from two different sources don't stack. It would be the same has having say, a set of mithral chain and a set of +2 leather armor on at same time. The +2 enhancement bonus on the leather armor enhances the leather armor, not the mithrel chain. Therefore it's +5 Armor Bonus is better than the +4 from the mithrel chain, and so you get the +5, not +4 mithrel and +2 from leather armor.
I don't suppose you could enhance your bracers of armor heh. Alright.
Actually,
The spell says this :
An outfit of regular clothing counts as armor that grants no AC bonus for the purpose of this spell.
This is functionally identacle to the wording of an amulet of natural armor when it states that any creature without natural armor is considered to have a natural armor bonus of 0.
Armor that grants no AC Bonus has a functional armor bonus of 0.
Just for reference I deleted my post because I was wrong.
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LOL,
I noticed that, but I'd already typed all that in while you were doing so. :)
I don't suppose you could enhance your bracers of armor heh. Alright.
Actually,
That's started quite a few flamewars. Off hand, I think logically you should be able to, since enhancement enhances underlying armor. If you claim it though, you'll have a hundred people with pitchforks posting on the thread demanding your first born. And a hundred others flaming back at them.Basically, it's up to your GM. It's a really really expensive way to go no matter how you rule on it.
I don't suppose you could enhance your bracers of armor heh. Alright.Actually,
That's started quite a few flamewars. Off hand, I think logically you should be able to, since enhancement enhances underlying armor. If you claim it though, you'll have a hundred people with pitchforks posting on the thread demanding your first born. And a hundred others flaming back at them.Basically, it's up to your GM. It's a really really expensive way to go no matter how you rule on it.
Eh, monks!