Increasing size in cramped places


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I have a couple questions about enlarging a character in small places.

Say, a character has Enlarge Person cast on him, and the space he's in is too small to contain him. The spell's description say that he grows to the maximum size, then he can try to break using his new Strength score.

Since these rules belong to the Enlarge Person spell, what happens when a character is enlarged with another means (the X Shape spells) ?

And what happens when a character grows two sizes: is he stuck in-between?

Say, a 8-level Druid trapped in a Medium-sized cage activates his Wild Shape to become an Elephant (Huge).
- Can he, like with Enlarge Person, use a Strength check to break the cage?
- If he can and fails the check, what happens?
- If we extend the rules from Enlarge Person to X Shape, will he become a Huge Elephant that must use Escape Artist to move, or a Large Elephant using Squeezing rules?
- If he becomes a Large Elephant, does he get the ability score modifiers given by Beast Shape III for a Huge creature, or Beast Shape II for a Large creature? (this has an impact on the Strength score used to break the enclosure, too)

Same questions for a Wizard/Sorcerer casting X Shape offering Huge size.
Same questions when the character becomes Huge while trapped in a Small-sized cage.

Scarab Sages

Wow, these are all good questions. I'm only posting to throw my hat in the ring and say I would like to see answers as well.

My party loves casting enlarge person on the tanks to give them 10 ft reach, but what happens when a Medium creature is on a 5'-wide ledge and there are obstacles to simply resizing the creature? For example...

What about a creature that grows in an area that would require him to expand into the space occupied by another ally? or an opponent? or a dangerous square (such as a ledge or lava pit or something else)?


No answer? Nobody has any comment on this? Are you too focused on the new classes' playtest?

I might simply discuss this with my current GM, but the boards' comments would be interesting to point to one direction or another.


Or perhaps the thread's title provokes fear that it's an advertisement for some... er... male enhancement product? I assure you it's not. But if you read this, you've already browsed it, haven't you? ;-)

So... no ruling for our poor druid prisoner in a small cage? Fire-proofed ironwood cage, too - no Produce Flame nor Heat Metal for you here.


The quick and dirty answer is it can't happen. Enlarge person isn't refered to by any of the other spells or the transmutation school description and so is the only place you have the rules for what you are asking about. For all the other X-shape/X-form spells, if attempting to change into shape which couldn't fit in a specified area, I'm fairly certain the 3.5 rules were the spell fizzled as the target wasn't "valid" (IE your gallon of magical size wasn't going to fit in the pint container that was available). However keep in mind that a large(+) creature can squeeze into an area half its normal spacing with the associated penalties (PFRPG pg. 193). Even with squeezing though you still couldn't get a large creature into a small cage, but you could go the other way (smaller) to fit out some of the holes via squeeze.

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