This thread http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ppj3?What-fighters-DO
has given me an idea for a unique challenge for those who are arguing about fighter contributions and other martial's ability to replace the fighter.
Things that this thread takes as a given and anyone who doesn't agree with them feel free to have that argument on another thread.
1. Fighters are great at combat
2. we are not discussing full casters or even 6level casters this thread is about martial comparison. which includes rogues and monks
ok on to the challenge
20 point buy
only CRB races
standard WBL and WBL rules
here's the interesting part, I Think, I want the people who create builds to create the challenge. You can't participate in a challenge you create. The challenges must contain.
1. A character idea(Heavily armored 2handed, a duelist(not the prestige class), a pit fighter, archer etc etc.
2 builds for at least 3 levels of the character
3 appropriate monsters for the encounter
4 at least 1 level appropriate skill challenge in each encounter.
I think this will attempt to answer those that say that fighters have the best build versatility(aka only fighters can be a proper knight or the ranger's fluff stops him from being certain character ideas. lick a dex based fighter or what have you) while at the same time addressing the fighters serious lack of skills
An example would be
build a duelist at 1, 5, and 10
encounter 1
duelist must face 3 1st level warriors after sneaking down a hall dc 10
encounter 2
duelist is gathering information about a traitor in the kings guard DC 20 when he is attacked by a group of 4 3rd level rogues perception check dc 15 or they get a surprise round
encounter 3
duelist is in a duel against a 10th level barbarian(use the NPC codex version) in a relatively cramped room the is rapidly filling up with lava treat as difficult terrain acrobatics dc 25 or take 1d6 damage.
reflex save dc 20 every odd round after the first for 5d6 fire damage.