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Could your Mount take feats that require Rage, like Raging Vitality?


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Channel Force could be used with Channel Smite, or Channel Ray.


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You could use Channel Force to push a creature to a position, that would force them to move later, and thus provoke.

Also, cliffs.


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What is your Race/Class?

There could be other options.


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Imbicatus wrote:

Heirloom Weapon only grants proficiency in a single martial weapon, whip is exotic.

Combine with Caravan Drover.

Seeing as traits are considered "half feats", in terms of suggested power, then using both traits, to emulate one feat, isn't a big deal.


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Caravan Drover let's you treat them as a Martial Weapon.

Heirloom Weapon gives you proficiency, but only with one Whip.


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HangarFlying wrote:
Kchaka wrote:

Oh, look! Yet another bastard sword thread . . . Oh well.

Funny, a human can't use a medium bastard sword (1d10) in one hand with -4 penalty without the exotic weapon proficiency feat, but he can use a small greatsword (1d10) in one hand with a -2 penalty with martial weapon proficiency.

Funny, a human can't use a medium greatsword in one hand with -4 penalty.

Greatswords are not One-handed Exotic Weapons.

Bastard Swords are.

The Falcata is an One-handed Exotic Weapons, that even a Commoner can wield in one hand, with penalties.

Bastard Sword is just an exception, within an exception.

You know, for reasons.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
A little slow on the draw there, BBT.

Nothing was confirmed.


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How can it be treated as an unarmed attack, in regards to threatening, and provoking, and yet nothing else that applies to unarmed attacks, applies to Gauntlet attacks?

I find this contradiction troubling.

I also don't find there to be RAW that supports these array of exceptions, and pick and choose applications of rules.


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Dave Justus wrote:
RAW this doesn't work any way. It clearly states that potions have to be swallowed.

Well, then how do you suppose it works?

Adventurer's Armory pg. 5, Classic Horrors Revisited pg. 8 wrote:

[/b]Syringe Spear[/b]

Statistics
Cost: 100 gp Weight: 6 lbs.
Damage: 1d6 (small), 1d8 (medium); Critical: x3; Range: 20 ft.; Type: P; Special: brace, see text
Description
The blade of this weapon, which is also called an injection spear, contains a thin tube or bore that connects to a hollow container just beneath the crosspiece. A successful hit with the spear injects the liquid contents of the container (typically poison or a potion) into the target. Refilling a syringe spear takes 1 minute.


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Sophismata wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
rainzax wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

I am fully aware my suggestion is not RAW.

I do intend to run it this way, in home games, to fully test it though.

It may be some time, but I do plan to give a review of the ruling in use.

what exactly is your suggestion?

My suggestion, is that one can use two-weapon fighting with any pair of weapons, regardless of handedness, but will only get x1.0 Strength to damage with the primary attack, and x0.5 Strength to damage with the Off-hand attack.

Why? Why would you complicate a very simple rule; what benefit does that bring to the game? If you're going to house-rule anything, just ignore the FAQ and play with the rules as they were written. Easy.

I agree.

It's a compromise, that would hopefully appease those who agree with the FAQ.

It would be a playtest of the compromise houserule.

Basically, you may wish to avoid eating the sh*t sandwich altogether, but if you can't, negotiating a compromise to eat just half of it, is better than choking it down whole.


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rainzax wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
My suggestion, is that one can use two-weapon fighting with any pair of weapons, regardless of handedness, but will only get x1.0 Strength to damage with the primary attack, and x0.5 Strength to damage with the Off-hand attack.

including greatsword + kick?

does it follow for Power Attack ratios?

what about AoOs?

1) Yes.

2) Normal Power Attack ratios.

3) AoOs are never effected by two-weapon fighting. This has always been so.


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OP run away?


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If you are using them on allies, it's not that big a deal.

You could get a Conductive Syringe Spear, and with the Healing Bomb Discovery, double up on healing.

Also, you could two weapon fight with smaller ones, and hit your ally for multiple doses.


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Using Oils provoke, just like Potions.

Using a Potion on someone else, is a Full Round Action.

Syringe Spears can be thrown without penalty, as they have a range of 20ft. You don't need the Throw Anything feat to avoid penalties.

I suggest a tiny Syringe Spear. 1d4 Light weapon for a medium PC.


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I threaten with Brass Knuckles, and a Spiked Gauntlet.

I can be proficient with both.

I don't provoke with either.

I have a hard time seeing Gauntlets, being practically the same weapon, and never being proficient with them, threatening with them, or being unable to not provoke with them, no matter what feats/abilities/etc that I have.

Mentioning the Whip?

I can be proficient with the Whip, and have ways of threatening, and avoiding AoOs.

I have a hard time with a simple weapon, being this complicated, and behaving like no other weapon.


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Now, I want to see a Sling focused Warpriest build.


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kestral287 wrote:
So, what does that line mean to you, exactly?

In totality? A FAQ is likely in order.

Do you think a Gauntlet is immune to Sunder?

Do you think the Brawling enchantment adds damage to attacks with Gauntlets?


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There is also the Thunderstriker.


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Titan Fighter into Titan Mauler, could mean you have Titan Mauler, that works as intended.


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Pacifists, no matter the class, don't really work, in Pathfinder, other than as a NPC.


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kestral287 wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
I see no reason for it to not function exactly like a Spiked Gauntlet.
gauntlet wrote:
Benefit: This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack. Your opponent cannot use a disarm action to disarm you of gauntlets.
spiked gauntlet wrote:
Benefit: An attack with a spiked gauntlet is considered an armed attack. Your opponent cannot use a disarm action to disarm you of spiked gauntlets.
I'm honestly confused as to what more reason than "the rules explicitly say they do not function like each other" we're looking for here. Detailing exactly how the gauntlet works? Sure, debatable. Contending that it works identically to a Spiked Gauntlet? Requires willfully ignoring the rules of both weapons, as quoted above.

Are you willfully ignorant of the context of this statement?;)

It would appear that, as a weapon, both Spiked, and normal Gauntlets, are things that one could be proficient with, threaten with, and not provoke whilst attacking with.

I don't really find the "otherwise considered an unarmed attack" line to dispute this.


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Ah, but now we have the Titan Fighter, who could conceivably wield the Large Bastard Sword, as large two-handed weapon, but not a large one-handed weapon, without proficiency, even though it require the exact same amount of hands to wield either.

Same a small Bastard Sword, which could be wielded by a medium creature, as a small two-handed weapon, but not a small one-handed weapon, without proficiency even though it require the exact same amount of hands to wield either.


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The reason I brought up the Favored Weapon, is to show the Gauntlet is a weapon in it's own right, and not just a modification to an existing weapon, the unarmed strike.

Being a weapon in it's own right, means it would function, as a weapon.

I don't find this simultaneous function of being a weapon, and not being a weapon, to be the true mechanical function of a Gauntlet.

I see no reason for it to not function exactly like a Spiked Gauntlet.


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Pointing out the existence of something, is not increasing it.


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What about deities with the Gauntlet listed as their favored weapon, such as Ng?


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Ah, but is the class ability the source, the ability score, or both?

It would seem, although not what is written, it is both, according to the FAQ.

Or maybe, even though the class ability gives the bonus, it's not the source?

Simple!


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It's a multisourced ability, that creates a "typed" untyped bonus.

Most single bonuses have a single source, but some have simultaneous multiple sources.

This creates a "typed" untyped bonus, as, unlike other untyped bonuses, will not stack with other untyped bonuses, as they may share the same multisource pool.

This is not actually called out in the written rules, but is covered extensively in the the unwritten rules, which I highly suggest you read, as some FAQs reference them heavily.

You should be able to instantly understand this, and have no dissatisfaction, or confusion. Those are the sign of being a horrible person, and I don't think that's the case.

Just unquestioningly accept, deny any confusion, and all will be fine.


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I would like to see the build.

Is it viable with a 15 Point Buy?


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rainzax wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

I am fully aware my suggestion is not RAW.

I do intend to run it this way, in home games, to fully test it though.

It may be some time, but I do plan to give a review of the ruling in use.

what exactly is your suggestion?

My suggestion, is that one can use two-weapon fighting with any pair of weapons, regardless of handedness, but will only get x1.0 Strength to damage with the primary attack, and x0.5 Strength to damage with the Off-hand attack.


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You don't need to wear armor, to wear gauntlets.


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Critical Failures?

Do enemies use these as well?


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Has Furious Focus been mentioned here?


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So, do Gauntlets require proficiency?

All are proficient with unarmed strikes, but not all are proficient with simple weapons.


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I have a Club focused Warpriest in PFS.

She does well, and I love the look on the Judge's face, when I pull out my club.


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Warpriest with Weapon Focus(Sling).


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HangarFlying wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

If the Gauntlet is always an "Unarmed Attack", and never a "Unarmed Strike", thus unaffected by things like Weapon Focus, or Improved Unarmed Strike, then how does anyone ever threaten, or not provoke, when attacking with a Gauntlet?

By taking the Improved Unarmed Strike feat.

So, feats that apply to Unarmed Strikes, apply to Gauntlet attacks?


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Well, I would still have two-handed weapons, or one-handed weapon wielded in two hands, use the -1/+3 for Power Attack.


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Does it even matter that it's a game?

In what circumstance is it justified to attack the hopes, dreams, aspirations, and desires of another human being?

When you raise yourself to a position to police thought crime, you do so, with the justification that you are allowed to violate freedom of thought.

Most of those who condemn freedom of thought, do so with the justification that a higher power supports them. Sins of the mind.

Who would dare declare themselves so righteous, that they themselves have deity level of power, to judge that which exists in the mind of their fellow man?

What we do, and what we say, is free to be judged, but our minds, our are own.


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If a player is complaining that they didn't get the gear they wanted, enemies they wanted, etc., then that is a player complaining problem.

If a player decides to choose Weapon Focus(Falchion), and not Weapon Focus(Longsword), despite the DM dropping tons of magical Longswords, then that's a railroading problem.

Every single problem, I have seen used as an example, is not with planning, as these same problems can occur with those who don't plan any of their build.

Planning, is just the thoughts of the player, and where they dream, and aspire to go with their PC.

When you attack the planning itself, then you attack the thoughts, dreams, and aspirations of that player.

This isn't attacking someone's eating of chocolate, but their desire to eat chocolate.

This is looking at Martin Luther King Jr., and not showing disapproval of his actions, or the telling of his dream, but the fact that he even had a dream in the first place.


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I am fully aware my suggestion is not RAW.

I do intend to run it this way, in home games, to fully test it though.

It may be some time, but I do plan to give a review of the ruling in use.


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This is not an attack on a PC.

This is an attack on a Player.

You could easily have two PCs, identical, and one was planned out by the player, and other was not. No difference.

This says, that the player who planned their PC, is wrong.

This is a DM, looking at a player, and attacking their thoughts.

There is no excuse, for this sort demand to control a player's thoughts.

You are a DM, not Big Brother.

Players don't need to doublethink past the DM, just because they have dreams, and aspirations.

It nauseatingly foul, for anyone to condone the attack on the minds of players.

These are your friends and family.

How can you look at them, and tell them that by looking ahead to tomorrow, makes them a bad person?

No.

You are the bad person.


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Rough and Ready trait, or Catch Off-guard feat will help you in these moments.


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You could see it as doing damage, that effects the target, as if it were doing Slashing damage.

Less bloodied underpants?


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If the Gauntlet is always an "Unarmed Attack", and never a "Unarmed Strike", thus unaffected by things like Weapon Focus, or Improved Unarmed Strike, then how does anyone ever threaten, or not provoke, when attacking with a Gauntlet?


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As an improvised weapon, sure.

You hit someone with it, and it will hurt.


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Kchaka wrote:

Guys, who gives a crap if the gauntlet is "armed" or "unarmed" if almost everyone who can use a gauntlet can also use a spiked gauntlet that solves the problem and does more damage? You guys are just arguing because you like to.

IMO, the original Dev's didn't want players to threaten adjacent squares with simple gauntlets, spiked gauntlets or spears, they wanted players to actually hold a non-reach weapon in hand in order to threaten or to have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat. If anyone can threaten by just holding a gauntlet or spiked gauntlet it makes disarm alot weaker.

With a little imagination and the gift of words you can make anything reasonable. I can picture how someone using a metal fist can be considered armed just as how I can picture how just because someone is using a gauntlet doesn't make him a pugilist. Discussing our collective ignorance of gauntlet combat and it's multiple interpretations will get nowhere.

There are gods with the Gauntlet as a favored weapon.

Unlike Spiked Gauntlets, an Alchemical Silver Gauntlet has no penalty to damage.

Gauntlets deal Bludgeoning, whilst Spiked Gauntlets deal Piercing damage.

There many other reasons to use one, over the other.

People are here, in the Rules Forum, discussing how the rules work with the Gauntlet.

If does not matter to you, then that's fine.


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There is always a situation in which a particular option would be a "Trap".

Does this automatically make it generally a "Trap" option?

No.

A 7 strength Wizard, with two levels in Ranger, for Power Attack, is not an average build.

Campaigns with custom wealth distribution, and enemies of higher CR do not disprove the averages.

So, if it helps to see past these obscure, and irrelevant examples, then imagine it is for PFS.

Also, the "Math, pfft, what does that matter" and "Thinking about damage makes you an optimizer doody head" responses are just silly, and unhelpful.

Even those with less than optimized builds can be curious about their damage potential, without somehow committing some atrocity.


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Would an attack with a Gauntlet be considered an "Armed" unarmed attack?


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If "unarmed attack" is different from "unarmed strike", then why would they have same disadvantages, but not the same advantages?

How would these two different, but the same, attacks function with a player with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat? Would the Gauntlet attack still not threaten, and provoke, as the feat only effects unarmed strikes, and not other "unarmed attacks"?

Also, the false "straw man" accusations don't give you a free "I win" button, and it just sort of makes you sound like an arrogant ass.

That might not be the intent, but it sure comes off that way.

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