Callum Finlayson wrote:
Well, there is the Bright Book of Smiling Kittens. You don't even want to know what dark mysteries Sunshine, Lollipops and Puppies will reveal. I shiver to even imagine.
I've been a DM since the old Red Box, but haven't really DM'd 4th Edition, but I'll give some of the things I enjoy and some I don't:
1) I like the new monster creation (not completely new); 3.x was annoying with all the little bits that you supposedly needed to know in a monster build. True I ignored them, but published adventures needed them. 4e is heading back in the right direction here.
2) I like that they seem dedicated to re-balancing the classes. I don't think I've played / DMd it enough to judge their success, but I think it's a smart move.
3) I like the new cosmology. I still like the Great Wheel, but I think this one is neat too. I just wish they wouldn't tie so much of the small amount of fluff they give into it.
1) There's no real guidance for creating new powers or feats in the books as is. If I wanted to create a new deity (or all new deities since I homebrew) I don't have a nice template for the feats and powers tied to the deities. This is also the down-side of the new monster creation. I'm hoping we get more guidance here.
2) I don't like how samey the classes are. Instead of killing off Vancian magic, we now have Vancian everything. I liked to play fighters who just ran up and hit. Now that's not as easy, especially not useful.
3) I don't like them retconning worlds to use their new cosmology. I like the new cosmology, but established worlds shouldn't be forced into it. Create new worlds!
4) As above, I don't like the further requirement for mats / minis. It's one of the main reasons I also didn't like 3.x.
Scott Betts wrote:
How many boardgames don't come with all of the necessary pieces?
How do you measure the female gamers here?
Russ Taylor wrote:
For me they remove the imagination. Instead of everyone having their own idea of how things look the miniature gets the focus. It's also a problem with movies made from books, the movie images tend to overtake your original vision of characters and places. For the record I didn't play with miniatures until 3e, since before then we were too poor to afford them and in retrospect our combats were too crazy. I like them from the tactical standpoint, don't like them from the imagination standpoint.
I'm on the last book(s) of Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy. I picked it up because I'd read it was quite an influence on Martin's Song of Ice and Fire, and you can really see it. Still it is quite an interesting series in itself, and I love how Williams reimagined the traditional fantasy races. I'd recommend it, especially as it is a Finished Series! So few of those around, and the waiting for Dance of Dragons is painful.
Wow, were we separated at birth? I've done this 3 times, all bards. Great characters, awful PCs. My mages and wizards were always oddly utilitarian in bent also, I don't think I even memorized combat spells.
I arrived home to a much anticipated sight today. Stuffed into my mailbox was an over sized box. Huzzah Hurrah! My Paizo shipment has arrived, now only to extrude it. Hmmm, how did the mailman get this in here I asked myself as I pulled the whole mailbox from the porch. What cruel fate is this, to hold my Paizo shipment but not be able to read it. After several Pooh-like pulls against the mailbox, my treasure was gained. Oh, my precious. I rushed inside like a kid on Christmas, pausing just a moment to hastily hang the mailbox by one nail and leave it swinging. The box opened I saw the prize within and I must say that even though I read them in digital form I read each item again from cover to cover. I am using this purplish prose to thank the Paizo crew for such great items, especially the Campaign Setting. Perusing Golarion hastens me back to those olden days looking at the Flanaess; there's so much wonder to be had in this land. I might be an old-time Greyhawk fan, but everything I see of Golarion really sets my creative juices to a boil. You guys and your creations are just sublime, and I hope to see much, much more. Thanks for all the hard work and allowing me and your other customers to enjoy your creation.
Vic Wertz wrote:
I have one of Westeros that a specialty place made up. It is one of my prized possessions. I'd love to get it framed up. If you could find someone to do it as a sort of boutique item I'd buy one for sure. By the way, Westeros is the main continent in George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire series for those who don't know.
I've played this just to get an idea of how 4th Edition works since I'm one of the honest souls who's waiting for the books and I have to agree with Sebastian. They really should have tried to blow us away for the introduction to the new edition and they didn't. It could count as an homage to Keep on the Borderlands, but I doubt that :). I do like the ideas you put up Sebastian and wish I'd read them before I did my run through.
I always through that the Al'mir'aj (likely spelling error) were pretty dumb, to combine the theme of bunny monsters and the original fiend folio. These were basically unicorn horned rabbits.
I give those a pass since they are actually from mythology though. As for the topic I think I must have blocked out any dumb creatures. I know I've seen them but I really only pay attention to creatures I like.
Vic Wertz wrote:
Very good, thanks for the quick response!
James Jacobs wrote:
I think it would work better as just part of the background noise of the chaos. This could be one of the things the angry crowds and firebrands are yelling about. It would be fun to have a true answer in there with the madness. ;)
I was actually starting to move towards the 4e camp, but the news from the D&D Experience is making me think of cancelling my pre-orders. The power levels seem way too high; and we're talking 1st level here and it's way too high. I'd hate to see higher level play. I need to know if it's possible to power it down. I know some might say I should play a different game, but I've been playing about the same power level since the Red Box; so if I can't still play me game then it's not my D&D anymore.
edit: I also agree with DMcCoy, this whole edition seems to be geared towards selling the minis than in being a game in itself.
Erik Mona wrote:
I may be late to the thread but here goes:
1) Yes, more than likely I do. I've already pre-ordered the books and unless they are unplayable I see myself converting.
2) It will make it easier to do. I love Paizo products, and having them for 4th edition would be quite a boon.
3) Not really, I'll just have to work to convert them. As I said before, I love Paizo products, and the quality alone is worth the buy.
Then I don't think you'd like my game world. I've always had angels as the servants of the gods. All of them, not just the good ones. It made it easier for me to figure out how demons/devils/evil gods fit in with one another. Plus not much causes panic in a party like discovering that the Archon you are aiding is actually pure evil.
Just when I was about to do a total revamp of my home-brew world you guys come out with a setting that has just hooked me. I admit I was so upset when those venerable institutions left your purview that I hadn't been paying much attention to Pathfinder. When I received it though, I was simply blown away. I can really feel the back-story here, and feel that we have very similar world building influences including Howard, Lovecraft, Smith, Dunsany and the early greats. Now I'm torn on whether to continue my own world or just allow you to do the hard work while I enjoy the fruits. Kudos to you gentlemen and ladies of Paizo, this is superlative work, and for the first time in a long time, I can barely wait to see each new tidbit as it comes out.