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I was browsing through tv shows on youtube for another thread and came upon this possibly on-topic clip from All in the Family. Many awesome highlights, but my faves is at 6:28.
Mark Sweetman wrote: Using a similar but different rebuttal - in 1941 a movie called 'How Green was My Valley' won the Best Picture oscar... does that mean it's a better 'quality' movie than 'Citizen Kane'? Comrades, we either strike or expatriate! To America, where we'll probably end up working for that plutocrat, Charles Foster Kane! Strike! Strike! Strike! (No, it's not a better film--imho--but it's pretty good and, unlike CK, it didn't go out of its way to piss off multiple plutocrats with connections to the entertainment industry. Hee hee, Orson, you're such a troll.)
meatrace wrote:
I'm Stuffy Grammarian-proof. Whenever challenged on, say, incorrect spelling, or improper quotation mark usage (look, I figured I'd throw 'em around the cut-and-paste block under the link and it would be obvious, okay?), I can hide behind either a) inebriation; or, b) an unfamiliarity with English punctuation rules. We don't use 'em in Gobonics.
bugleyman wrote:
No, that would be Jonathan Franklin. In case you didn't know, quotation marks (" ") indicate that somebody other than the writer is speaking.
Benghazi, Petraeus, and the CIA I like the end: "In my book, Global NATO and the Catastrophic Failure in Libya, I have challenged this verdict that the intervention did more good than harm. Some other supporters of the Libya intervention are now calculating the costs as embassies rush to leave the people to the mercy of the militias. According to the British newspaper the Guardian, “the fear of further violence has led to the British and US embassies withdrawing some staff, the European Union closing its mission in Tripoli and BP announcing it was pulling out non-essential staff.” France had already scaled back its operations after a military attack on its mission in Tripoli. What Daryl Issa and the forces calling the issues of Benghazi a cover-up are refusing to deal with is the deceptions and lies that led to the catastrophic situation in Libya and North Africa today." In your face, supporters of humanitarian interventionism.
"Whose enemies list would you rather be on Nixon or Obama? Nixon’s political enemies list which began at a list of a modest 20 people expanded to nearly 600 and was designed to be used in conjunction with IRS Audits of politically unacceptable thinking (sound familiar??) but in reality the IRS hammer was rarely if ever implemented. The Nixon crew was unable to organize reprisals against the vast majority of people on the list, leading those on the list to rank it not as punishment but as a cool social status. Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson was indignant that he was not on the list, “I would almost have preferred a vindictive tax audit to that kind of crippling exclusion.” The folks on Obama’s enemies list are not saying that, in fact they are not saying anything because most of them are dead."
Scott Betts wrote: These aren't scandals because they're actually scandalous. These are scandals because they are opportunities. Oh, I know. Still, there's probably a lot of scandal in Benghazi, just not where the Repubs are looking.
"Unable to strangle the revolution, the United States set out to isolate Cuba in order to make short shrift of it later." --Che Guevara Speaks, "Cuba and the Kennedy Plan" "The next morning, the last thing Katniss sees before entering the games is Spoiler: being beaten by Cinna Spoiler: ."
Peacekeepers. --Sheila Llanas, How to Analyze the Works of Suzanne Collins which is for, like, 8th-graders and contains more insights into The Hunger Games than Anita Sarkeesian.
It's kind of sad that of all the scandals "rocking" the Obama administration, one of them isn't the 100-f#*$ing-day hunger strike by a bunch of dudes who appear to have been, in my humble opinion, locked away for 11 years for no apparent reason
meatrace wrote:
I was kind of feeling blase about that. I mean, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Anwar al-Awlaki, his son, warrantless wiretapping, FISA, etc., etc., ad nauseam, I just couldn't work up the outrage. Fortunately, there's always Chris Hedges to get appropriately apocalyptic about the AP story. "And so, yeah, I think we’re in a very, very frightening moment."
Kahn Zordlon wrote: Morality and Economic Law: Toward a Reconciliation by Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Peter G. Peterson Institure for International Economics report: Can Labor Standards Improve Under Globalization? Chapter 6: Globalization and Labor Standards seems to address the Bangladeshi child prostitute issue. (Scroll to the top)
More reproachful union douchebags The Central Ohio Association of Catholic Educators better not be in the ALF-CIO!!
Inspired by Comrade Samnell, I picked up Che Guevara Speaks after I finished Mockingjay. Re: the latter: [sobs] This, comrades, is why we don't ally ourselves with various and sundry bourgeois causes, and why the working class must only rely upon its own power in order to achieve its goals. [Sobs some more] Vive le Galt! (half-heartedly)
Kahn Zordlon wrote:
I wasn't accusing you of dishonesty, I was allowing for possible garblage on your part. 'Cuz otherwise, your anecdote doesn't say much: Unions try to keep around older guys based on seniority that don't meet Bourdain's exacting culinary standards.
All things considered, it's not exactly On the Waterfront.
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Well, setting aside possible Anklebiter reading comprehesion problems, then we're left with a story about a bought-off shop steward being replaced in democratic elections by the future Food Network star who then gets harrassed by management. As far as anti-union stories go, it's a little meh.
Meanwhile, to continue a leitmotif from above, the workers representatives are far from without reproach: The Reprehensible Meddling of the AFL-CIO’s Solidarity Center: Big Labor’s Tool of Empire
Irontruth wrote:
More importantly, assuming Citizen Zordlon told the anecdote correctly, it doesn't mean anything. Citizen Bourdain is elected steward and management sends a thug around? How exactly is this an anti-union story?
pres man wrote: AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011Homeland Security Tracked Occupy Wall Street 'Peaceful Activist Demonstrations' Now, finally, Occupy and the Tea Party have something in common!
Third attempt to post this: Not much politrolling going on today-- :(-- so, uh, I watched The U.S. Vs. John Lennon again last week. Pretty good flick. and which isn't very politrollish, but is awesome nonetheless.
Kajehase wrote:
[Raises fist] Spoiler:
Can you hear the drums fernando?
I remember long ago another starry night like this In the firelight fernando You were humming to yourself and softly strumming your guitar I could hear the distant drums And sounds of bugle calls were coming from afar They were closer now fernando
There was something in the air that night
Though I never thought that we could lose
Now we're old and grey fernando
There was something in the air that night
Though I never thought that we could lose
There was something in the air that night
Though I never thought that we could lose
Yes, if I had to do the same again
La lucha continua! Vive le Galt!
Finished Class Struggles yesterday, and although I feel like I could probably spend the next year reading about the French revolution of 1848, it's probably time to get back to the Priscilla Robertson book and do the rest of the continent. That is, after I finish Mockingjay. Only one third left to go. Not turning out to be as much of a workers revolution as I'd prefer, but, whatevs, I'll take it. Also, when I'm done, I'm going back to trolling the Anita Sarkeesian thread. Who talked shiznit about Catching Fire and Mockingjay because her feminism is hollow and stupid. Vive le Katniss and her love triangle!
Citizen Zordlon, if you have time in your busy one-man-against-the-thread routine (and, btw, you can have the thread for now, but I'm gonna be wanting it back later): Kahn Zordlon wrote:
Why? I don't pretend to have read Friedman, and I've never taken an economics course, but I've never understood this part of the debate. I mean, I don't know which Middle Eastern country you are referring to, but lots of them have modern militaries, why is it necessary for them to have terrible First World-a-century-ago working conditions? (Although, when you look closely at America's First World working conditions--West Fertilizer, British Petroleum, Massey Energy--they start looking not so hot.)
Anyway, to wrap up this whole non-violent resistance derail... DarkLightHitomi wrote:
I guess, DLH, that if, heaven forbid, Americans ever needed to resist tyranny, the best thing to do would be engage in civil disobedience and hope that twenty years later the Australians will rescue us.
Shifty wrote:
So, by "thanks," do you mean oil and natural gas profits? Anyway, the more I read about East Timorese independence (UN troops, American ships chillaxing on the waves), the less inclined I am to chalk it up to non-violent resistance.
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
I'm not certain if you're talking to me or not, DLH, but on the off-chance that you are: Spoiler:
I'm pretty much agreeing with you. Two years after the Tahrir Square occupation and it really isn't clear to me that life in Egypt has gotten any better for your average dude on the street. From what I hear, it's gotten demonstrably worse for the average dudette.
Gandhi always puzzles me. I don't know a hell of a lot about the struggle for Indian independence, but I do know that the British were able to carve out half of their former colony as an independent puppet state (Pakistan) and along with that went the largest ethnic cleansing operation in recorded human history (I think--it's hard to keep track, the 20th century being as horrific as it was). Not that I think Gandhi should bear the blame for it, but it's hard to see how that registers as a great success for non-violent resistance. East Timor I will give the nvr crowd, although I suspect it had less to do with the East Timorese's adoption of non-violence as much as it had to do with the Clinton administration being less committed to a mass-murdering, gang-raping, genocidal Indonesia than three decades of previous American administrations. We'll have to wait and see whether Anglo-Australian concern over West Papau trumps the "close relations and expanding security relationship" between Washington and Jakarta. I doubt anyone will be surprised that I doubt it.
Kahn Zordlon wrote: If we enacted child labor, or osha-type regulations on a 3rd world country, or on the people living in a materially poor era like GOT, there would be mass starvation and unrest. You mean, as opposed to the unrest coming from factory fires that kill 750+?
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Not East Timor, but West Papau
Scott Betts wrote:
It's okay, TOZ--I thought it was funny.
ciretose wrote: Which is the core of the debate. If you want a gun because you are afraid of the world, I don't have an issue with you getting a gun. It is irrational, since every study says you are in more danger because you are a gun owner, but whatever. I've never owned a gun, nor have I ever wanted to own a gun, but, indeed, whatever.
"Meanwhile, a plethora of organizations sprang up--Viktor Anpilov's RKRP, Alexei Prigarin's Soyuz Kommunistov, Anatoly Kryuchkov's RPK, Nina Andreyeva's VKPB, Roy Medvedev and A. Denisov's [Wesley from Angel?!?] SPT and numerous others--all claiming the threadbare mantle or, more to the point, the vast properties of the CPSU." --Stalinism--Gravedigger of the Revolution: How the Soviet Workers State Was Strangled: For Socialist Revolution to Sweey Away Yeltsin Counterrevolution! "It at once excluded the representatives of the proletariat, Louis Blanc and Albert, from the Executive Commission appointed by it; it threw out the proposal of a special Labor Ministry, and received with stormy applause the statement of the Minister Trelat: 'The question is merely one of bringing labor back to its old conditions.'" --Karl Marx, Class Struggles in France, 1848-1850 "She likes District 13 well enough, even though she thinks the cooks are somewhat lacking in imagination." --Suzanne Collins, Mockingjay Vive le Katniss!
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