Simple point:
By 3rd level pretty much everyone has magical armor, yes? And if bracers can be enchanted to give someone a +8 armor bonus, I can't imagine a bikini being unable to do the same. It IS made out of metal after all and covers all the, ah... vital areas.
We might as well complain that bathing suits are inappropriate for bathing when everyone KNOWS their real purpose is to be worn on the cover of magazines.
Yeah, pretty much.
Whether you call it a +3 mail shirt (stretching the definition of 'shirt' rather extensively) or a +3 chainmail bikini of armour is really not a major cause for concern. If your character is serious about protection, she's wearing plate armour anyway. If not she's relying on speed over tin plate, and whatever else you accuse it of, the chainmail bikini certainly permits movement.
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Yeah, pretty much.
Whether you call it a +3 mail shirt (stretching the definition of 'shirt' rather extensively) or a +3 chainmail bikini of armour is really not a major cause for concern. If your character is serious about protection, she's wearing plate armour anyway. If not she's relying on speed over tin plate, and whatever else you accuse it of, the chainmail bikini certainly permits movement.
I'd say it would actually inhibit movement as much or more, assuming one is trying to prevent it from falling off.
I prefer my armors to be realistic in their design, regardless of how magical they are.
I'd say it would actually inhibit movement as much or more, assuming one is trying to prevent it from falling off.Yeah, pretty much.
Whether you call it a +3 mail shirt (stretching the definition of 'shirt' rather extensively) or a +3 chainmail bikini of armour is really not a major cause for concern. If your character is serious about protection, she's wearing plate armour anyway. If not she's relying on speed over tin plate, and whatever else you accuse it of, the chainmail bikini certainly permits movement.
That rather depends on how it is held on, I think. I would assume whatever means would be fairly secure, as a brief garment that falls off readily is only desired in one or two professions, and they are not normally adventuring.
I prefer my armors to be realistic in their design, regardless of how magical they are.
Which is perfectly reasonable. I tend to let my players define how their armours (and indeed their characters) look, because it's a lot more important to them than it is to me.
Heh, my female druid wears neck to toe armor...
But her miniature doesn't. ,-)
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I prefer my armors to be realistic in their design, regardless of how magical they are.
So you don't let your mages wear bracers +3 since they are unrealistic? they only cover a small band around the arm, they would not offer any protection to the legs, so do you consider them unarmored?
In my campaigns, we use only offical equipment. you won't find any glowsticks or microwaves. So a bikini, that was invented in 1946 would be out of the question.
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I prefer my armors to be realistic in their design, regardless of how magical they are.So you don't let your mages wear bracers +3 since they are unrealistic? they only cover a small band around the arm, they would not offer any protection to the legs, so do you consider them unarmored?
Because bracers of armor supply ALL their protection with magic. Other magical armors rely at least partly on the mundane. With fullplate, even if you maximized the amount of enchantment, more than 60% of the AC it provides comes from the mundane portion.
i was quite amused by the caption on the last picture in that link, particuarly since i had just scrolled through the page in about 12 seconds :)
The pictures had captions? Wait let me go check them out...
OK I'm back... what were we talking about?
In my campaigns, we use only offical equipment. you won't find any glowsticks or microwaves. So a bikini, that was invented in 1946 would be out of the question.
Hang on, trousers are not listed as official equipment, does that mean that no-one in your campaign world is allowed to have them? Damn! You're strict!
More seriously, bikinis might have been invented in 1946 in this world, but they are not exactly a difficult invent and could as easily have been invented in 1046, had anyone then wanted to be charged with indecency or catch pneumonia.
So yeah, if players with female characters want to wear a bikini of any kind, and it fits with the culture and environment, why not?
I agree, chain leotards make a lot of sense, and your guts are vulnerable. But if I have a player with magic armour that wants it to look like a bikini, I really don't see it as an issue. After all, wasn't the Stag Lord meant to have special magic armour that shows off his bare chest? Just as important to protect that ...
Klass! Wit a capital K; now dat's KLASS!
Anyway, I have played several female characters; none have ever donned a chainmail bikini. As AD pointed out though their minis all did. The reality is purely visual - hetero guys just like looking at girls in bikinis. Beyond this I don't think anyone pictures their character or anyone elses in one.
As for their use/non-use and practicality in game? C'mon; you're talking about a GAME where 1) magic is real, 2) elves exist and 3) rules are optional, for example: gravity.
The article didn't really seem to say anything. It struck me as just being a summary of the issue.
.. sumthin sumthin blah blah blah boobs are great!
Insightful comment st00ji... very insightful. Gets right to the points of things...
The article didn't really seem to say anything. It struck me as just being a summary of the issue.
Kelsey, unless I am badly mistaken, the post was a deliberate attempt to follow "Rule 5" of blogging. Rule 5 is essentially "post pics of boobs and you will get traffic."
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Any setting that contains chainmail bikinis but lacks chainmail shorts would severely stretch my limits of verisimilitude.
One of the things that always amuses me is how much uproar there is over "chainmail bikinis" but virtually every male barbarian is garbed in little more than a leather loincloth and nobody ever seems to care.
I have no problem imagining your fem fighter in a chainmail bikini, that is until you go all LARPy and show up to game night while wearing one.
/ Our group is all 5-1 male vs. female
// please, no sausage-party jokes
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One of the things that always amuses me is how much uproar there is over "chainmail bikinis" but virtually every male barbarian is garbed in little more than a leather loincloth and nobody ever seems to care.
Maybe it's just people being upset that all of the art follows American views on public nudity and obscenity, instead of European standards for that sort of thing... :P
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PFS boon if I show up in a chainmail jockstrap?
Simple point:
By 3rd level pretty much everyone has magical armor, yes? And if bracers can be enchanted to give someone a +8 armor bonus, I can't imagine a bikini being unable to do the same. It IS made out of metal after all and covers all the, ah... vital areas.
We might as well complain that bathing suits are inappropriate for bathing when everyone KNOWS their real purpose is to be worn on the cover of magazines.
Chainmail Bikini stats.
.. sumthin sumthin blah blah blah boobs are great!Insightful comment st00ji... very insightful. Gets right to the points of things...
Actually, it is very insightful. That is the only viable "defense" of the subject.
Nothing else really works - and can easily end up being even more insulting to women.
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The chainmail bikini theory of armor states that for armor that emphasizes sex appeal over actual protection, distraction/envy is as much of a factor in the increased protection as the normal deflection of regular armor. The typical horny barbarian, when confronted with a good looking woman wearing a chainmail bikini, is distracted by his own lusty thoughts to the point where his attacks are less effective than usual. For those who prefer the opposite sex from the person wearing the chainmail bikini, feelings of envy and jealousy elicit much the same result.
Mechanics: Chainmail bikinis (and similar "armors") provide the same AC as the regular armor upon which they are based, minus 2 for the reduced coverage. However, they also gain a few benefits: the maximum dexterity bonus increases by 1, the armor check penalty is reduced by 1, and the arcane spell failure chance is decreased by 10%. In addition, the wearer can add a distraction bonus to their AC equal to their Charisma bonus. In the case of a Charisma penalty, this becomes a revulsion penalty (making them easier to hit).
Magical chainmail bikinis can be even more impressive, as they often not only add a enhancement bonus, but also extend the magical protection over the exposed areas, to eliminate the -2 penalty to AC suffered by mundane bikini armors.
tl;dr version: I like boobies.
The chainmail bikini theory of armor states that for armor that emphasizes sex appeal over actual protection, distraction/envy is as much of a factor in the increased protection as the normal deflection of regular armor. The typical horny barbarian, when confronted with a good looking woman wearing a chainmail bikini, is distracted by his own lusty thoughts to the point where his attacks are less effective than usual. For those who prefer the opposite sex from the person wearing the chainmail bikini, feelings of envy and jealousy elicit much the same result.
Mechanics: Chainmail bikinis (and similar "armors") provide the same AC as the regular armor upon which they are based, minus 2 for the reduced coverage. However, they also gain a few benefits: the maximum dexterity bonus increases by 1, the armor check penalty is reduced by 1, and the arcane spell failure chance is decreased by 10%. In addition, the wearer can add a distraction bonus to their AC equal to their Charisma bonus. In the case of a Charisma penalty, this becomes a revulsion penalty (making them easier to hit).
Magical chainmail bikinis can be even more impressive, as they often not only add a enhancement bonus, but also extend the magical protection over the exposed areas, to eliminate the -2 penalty to AC suffered by mundane bikini armors.
tl;dr version: I like boobies.
Remember, Kthulhu and I have competing theories.
Some notes. Were the first two captions supposed to have pictures? Because I only see captions (meaning I saw only 4 pictures in total starting with the girl pointing at her bikini top). Or were they supposed to just be text inserts. Also, does anybody know which video or movie the picture of the girl pointing at her chainmail bikini top is from? It appears to be a capture of some video, and I thought I had seen every D&D movie, spoof or legit, that is out there.
Lastly, I'd tend to disagree with those that say the article "isn't saying anything." It is saying that most people's defense for scantily clad lady warriors come from three different angles. It does also say that one such angle is "completely and utterly inarguable." Which is to say, it makes a claim that that claim has no real base to stand on. I do think the author was very diplomatic and non-combative in his discussion, which is actually refreshing, because a lot of times what happens with these sorts of discussions is that they degrade into troll fests.
Thanks for the reply. :)
Edit: Try as I might (I've refreshed 11 times already) I can't get those first two pictures to load. :(
Edit: Try as I might (I've refreshed 11 times already) I can't get those first two pictures to load. :(Hrm, did you try clearing your cache?
Is anyone else having this problem? If it's an issue with the linked files, I can just upload local copies instead.
Yeah I tried clearing the cache and using a totally different browser. Still no pictures. :(
That college humor bit was pretty funny.
Yup that worked. Wow! That woman in the second picture is obviously not happy. Of course I guess I wouldn't be either with little rings of metal poking me all over my jumbly bits.
We need a +1 bath towel as well (... but with the hunted curse, it becomes useless)
Chainmail bikinis on the other hand are pretending to be armor. Why else make them out of chainmail?
The mails might be loose enough to see-through?
I guess I would be more impressed if the men were less often bulging masses of meat and I dunno more sexy. I mean, I guess those guys should get their share of attention, but where's all my sexy eye candy hiding?
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The author might be interested by the results of my statistical analysis of the Mythus RPG (from Gary Gygax) rules about armors : when taking into account the probabilities for which parts of the body will be hit, the difficulties and bonuses to damage associated with called shots as well as the penalties when wearing armor, the most efficient way to compose your armor was to wear the best possible armor on your feet and hands and next to nothing anywhere else.