A talented bummer


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Hi, i just want to point a little mistake made, when you made the Ultimate Combat book:

It is regarding a rogue talent from the Core Book and an advanced talent from UC:

Core, normal talent:
Slow Reactions* (Ex): Opponents damaged by the rogue's sneak attack can't make attacks of opportunity for 1 round.

UC, advanced talent:
Confounding Blades* (Ex): When a rogue with this talent hits a creature with a melee weapon that deals sneak attack damage, her target cannot make attacks of opportunity until the beginning of her next turn.

is it me, or is the game effect of the two completely the same?

Shadow Lodge

There is a slight difference.

Slow Reactions applies to ranged sneak attacks, while Confounding Blades does not.

1 round is also different than 'beginning of targets next turn'.

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TOZ wrote:
1 round is also different than 'beginning of targets next turn'.

It's the rogue's next turn, not the target's.

Shadow Lodge

Well, either way it is not the same.


TOZ wrote:
Well, either way it is not the same.

Think a little more about it, it almost is.

Due to the mechanics of the game, the rogue and the target will act in turns, which effectively means that the target eighter gets hit, and cannot make AoO for one round (I assume this means until it is the targets second turn), or the target gets hit and cannot make AoO until the rogue's next turn. Which actually makes slow reactions last longer.

Besides, if slow reactions also apply to ranged attacks, it just makes it better, despite being a normal talent.

Shadow Lodge

I was talking about on the whole.

Yes, Slow Reactions is better than Confounding Blades.


Well, i must agree on them not being completely identical, after thinking it through.

BUT, i would still call confounding blades a mistake from paizo, by making i an advanced talen, and by making it in general ;)

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