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Arcane Mechanik (based on the summoner, but quite evidently a class of its own), and the Gun Mage (magus alternate class).
Been working on these for a while, and not sure if they're right yet. Tell me whatcha think.
...I totally want to play a "Gunbound" Gun Mage, with a black runepistol. :)
Would be awesome.
Damn, I am making Summoner-based Artificer... I should post it earlier instead of waiting until complete version :(
IMHO this should be posted in Homebrew as it does not look like as conversion of any Iron Kingdom class.
Updated Arcane Mechanik.
You smell that? Smells like somebody just whupped up a batch of Totally Awesome Sauce.
Arcane Mechanik (based on the summoner, but quite evidently a class of its own), and the Gun Mage (magus alternate class).
Been working on these for a while, and not sure if they're right yet. Tell me whatcha think.
Would you mind if I reposted one or both of these on a website I am creating for a homebrew campaign?
Would you mind if I reposted one or both of these on a website I am creating for a homebrew campaign?
Not at all. Feel free to use them as you wish.
Detect, I had a question about the Arcane Mechanik. What is the level 17 ability "Mechanikal Breakthrough"? What exactly does it do?
Thanks for the kind words.
Did you hear about the new IK-RPG? There's an interview explaining some things in one of the new NQ issues.
I am geeked for it ^_^
Interetsing. I guess it will use 2d6 rolls as a basis of checks, judging from the note about sharing some common mechanics with Warmachine/Horde?
It's supposedly going to use Warmachine/Hordes mechanics as a foundation. I s'pose that's easier than building a system from the ground up, since they have already invested so much into their war games. Still a lot of work.
Not sure what to expect out of it, but I'm still geeked. Hell, if they release another World Guide or Campaign Setting book, that will be well worth purchasing. Not sure if any of you managed to pick up the d20 version, but I was too late into IK to have much of an opportunity. So, such a tome would easily be adaptable to another game system.
^ Rambling (I love IK).
It's supposedly going to use Warmachine/Hordes mechanics as a foundation. I s'pose that's easier than building a system from the ground up, since they have already invested so much into their war games. Still a lot of work.
Not sure what to expect out of it, but I'm still geeked. Hell, if they release another World Guide or Campaign Setting book, that will be well worth purchasing. Not sure if any of you managed to pick up the d20 version, but I was too late into IK to have much of an opportunity. So, such a tome would easily be adaptable to another game system.
^ Rambling (I love IK).
Of Iron Kingdoms my favorite are Monsternomicons - some of the best bestiaries produced for 3.0/3.5. I wasn't completly convinced to arcane tech (or whatsitsname) - execution seemed clunky to me, as I love the general idea of various kinds of magitech. Still, when it comes to setting I prefer Eberron over IK.
The Liber Mechanika item creation was pretty bad. I mostly ignored it, simply re-flavoring magic items as mechanika.
I love the IK-flavor. Corvis has got to be one of the coolest settings for a game.
Have never played Eberron; heard good things, though. I have adapted Warforged for my own purposes. Awesome race.
Another look at the arcane mechanik type can be found here.
...Not sure if any of you managed to pick up the d20 version, but I was too late into IK to have much of an opportunity. So, such a tome would easily be adaptable to another game system...
The IK World Guides were hands down the highest quality 3rd Party stuff put out during the d20 craze. Absolutely phenomenal work. I heartily recommend getting your hands on them if you are a fan of the setting. IMHO they are easily worth cover + 50-75%. Also, the monsternomicons are splendid as well.
Ah...would that some twisted soul might create an IK-PF conversion...
The local gaming shop doesn't have any copies, and the only ones that can be found online are really expensive. Would suck to order it if it was in bad shape upon arrival.
*envies Valfen*
For those willing to put these conversions on their websites, remember that the original classes were not OGL, and as such remain under the intellectual property of Privateer Press. Although I very much doubt they would mind much, given the lack of support given to their RPG line - a pity, the setting is absolutely awesome, and the fluff books were truly excellents as well.
Actually the classes are open content per page 87 of the IKCG
I sort of smashed bodger and arcane mechanik together.
There's no reason you can't use the Arcane Archer prestige class, replacing all mention of bows/arrows for guns/bullets--that is, if your DM is okay with it.
A gunslinger/sorcerer/arcane "gunner" could serve your concept pretty well, unless I am mistaken. The only downside is that it would be a bit MAD, requiring high Dexterity, and at least decent Wisdom and Charisma. Like all characters, it would need Constitution, so that's four ability scores that you need. Then again, there's that sorcerer archetype that uses Wisdom in place of Charisma, if that fits with the character (and is allowed by the DM).
The soulknife might be a good basis for such a character, though they're normally limited to melee weapons. A similar progression for gaining enhancement bonuses to your gun, coupled with "gun skills" could make for an interesting, manga-like character.
You mean like the Mindbolt?
And you could do it less MAD with the Mysterious Stranger archetype.
Then you need Dex, Cha (grit and spellcasting), and some Con.
Mysterious Stranger 5/Sorcerer 2/Arcane "Gunner" 10
Detect, I had a question about the Arcane Mechanik. What is the level 17 ability "Mechanikal Breakthrough"? What exactly does it do?
Oh, wow--I completely overlooked this question. The intent was that the player work with the DM to determine what breakthrough their character has made. Thus, there's no hard rules for determining what your invention (or theory) does. I realize I should have included some rough guidelines explaining what sort of things are possible, but I didn't. Sorry about that.
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Has anyone figured out how to make the Bladebound archetype work for the Gun Mage yet? It's an idea I'm kind of curious to see developed. It could actually serve as another gun mage order, like the Amethyst Rose or Arcane Tempest (which could also be potentially made into archetypes from the prestige classes presented in No Quarter #16).
What's difficult about applying the archetype to a gun mage? Just allow all the abilities to be used with a firearm and it works, unless there's something I've overlooked?
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There's nothing difficult about doing it the way you suggest. And as far as I know, you didn't miss anything. See, I wasn't trying to call you (or anyone else) out on this. The mere fact that you put in the work to convert the class is just awesome in and of itself. In fact, your take on the gun mage has made one of my players a very happy soul, as he'll be using it in my forthcoming Wrath of the Righteous game.
No, I was just curious as to whether anyone had done more than a palette swap (to borrow a video game term). The idea of a 'blackgun magus' is a strong one. But calling it that.... doesn't sit well with me. So, I figured putting more of an IK spin on the archetype would make it something that would stand apart even more from the classic bladebound. Like, changing the names of certain abilities provided by the archetype. For example, calling the firearm a 'blacklock' (kind of a portmanteau of 'black blade' and 'magelock'). Or calling 'Black Blade Strike' 'Arcane Shot' instead. Or even changing 'Life Drinker' to 'Body Count' (taking a cue from the Pistol Wraith).
It's little things like that which would bring a stronger sense of identity to the gun mage version of the archetype. Much like the gauntlet witch from Kobold Quarterly 23. There's no denying that its the witch version of the bladebound, but it possesses enough flavor mixed in with the crunch to make it really stand out in the manner that I'm talking about.
As you've suggested, a thematic re-working is in order, but mechanically, the "bladebound" archetype fits a gun mage like a glove.
I'm glad one of your players has found this conversion to his liking, and that you, as a DM, have approved of it's use.
To tell you the truth, I made this version of the gun mage quite a long while ago, and with re-newed interested in the Iron Kingdoms, I might be taking another look at it to see what (if any) I'd like to change about it. Hardwiring the "bladebound" archetype into the class, for example, might be on the top of my list (what better way to represent a magelock than a "blackgun"?).
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Glad to see all's cool.
I personally don't think you need to re-work what you've done, but if you're going to then I look forward to the end result. Especially if you're hardwiring bladebound into the class.
That might actually make my idea of turning the Amethyst Rose and Arcane Tempest Prestige Classes into archetypes a little more feasible. Still trying to work that out in my head, but class design was never that strong a point for me (as it turns out, I have a strange sense of what's balanced compared to others).