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I am trying to figure out How they came up with the prices of the spell books, it does not seem to match raw.
Raw saws
Selling a Spellbook
Captured spellbooks can be sold for an amount equal to half
the cost of purchasing and inscribing the spells within.
Ok so what is the Purchasing Price of spells? Price for scrolls? I know what the inscribing cost is.
But..
It seems they have gone away from raw with this statement from Sean
Galnörag wrote:
We've always gone with the cost to scribe a spell into your book + the cost of the book itself.That's correct.
So it would seem they have gone to full scribing cost and price of the book.
Now the spellbooks in Ultimate Magic don't seem to really match either.
Lets look at one
Defensive Primer (Level 1 Abjurer)
RAW Price
1/2 purchasing spells
18 0 level - 112.5 gp
7 1st level - 87.5 gp
1/2 inscribing spells
18 0 level - 45 gp
7 1st level - 35 gp
Average Lock - 40 gp
total price - 320 gp
Sean's Price
inscribing spells
18 0 level - 90 gp
7 1st level - 70 gp
Spellbook - 15 gp
Average Lock - 40 gp
total price - 215
Price in Ultimate Magic - 160 GP
ok, 160 would be exactly the price of only inscribing the spells, but it does not include the average lock on the book or the cost of the spell book.
Based on Above here are the differences for another.
Book of the Grave (Level 6 Necromancer)
RAW total price - 1815 gp
Sean total price - 795 gp
Price in Ultimate Magic - 780 gp
Once again the UM price is close to the Sean price minus the Spellbook price
So has there been a change to the RAW?
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So, if the "purchase" price of the spell is from the sentence on p219 about Wizard's fees for copying out of their spellbooks, then it is half the inscription cost per spell.
If this is true than according to the rule on p220, the cost of the spellbook would be the inscription cost per spell plus half again the inscription cost per spell, or 150% of the inscription cost per spell. So every first level spell would add 15gp to the spellbook's value and so on.
I don't have UM yet, but maybe if you run the numbers that way it will add up.
Maybe.
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So, if the "purchase" price of the spell is from the sentence on p219 about Wizard's fees for copying out of their spellbooks, then it is half the inscription cost per spell.
If this is true than according to the rule on p220, the cost of the spellbook would be the inscription cost per spell plus half again the inscription cost per spell, or 150% of the inscription cost per spell. So every first level spell would add 15gp to the spellbook's value and so on.
I don't have UM yet, but maybe if you run the numbers that way it will add up.
Maybe.
No on Page 220 it is 1/2 the purchase price + 1/2 the inscription price. if you are going by the spellcasting services fees there would be a wide range of different prices depending on the level of the wizard you get the spell from, so that does not make sense either since it would not be set price.
For example if Waldor the wizard learned 1 1st level spell from a 5th level wizard the fee would be 50 gp, but if it was from a 1st level wizard it would be only 10, that is too much of a "random" price to base the cost of a spellbook on.
Though in Game, it is a cheaper way for a Wizard to learn a spell in some cases.
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No on Page 220 it is 1/2 the purchase price + 1/2 the inscription price. if you are going by the spellcasting services fees there would be a wide range of different prices depending on the level of the wizard you get the spell from, so that does not make sense either since it would not be set price.
For example if Waldor the wizard learned 1 1st level spell from a 5th level wizard the fee would be 50 gp, but if it was from a 1st level wizard it would be only 10, that is too much of a "random" price to base the cost of a spellbook on.
Though in Game, it is a cheaper way for a Wizard to learn a spell in some cases.
Not spellcasting services but the line on p219: "This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more."
So it doesn't have anything to do with caster level, just the level of the spell. And if this is the correct rule, a spell book's value would be 150% of the inscription cost per spell.
Edit: Actually since p220 states that it is half purchase price and p219 implies that the purchase price is half inscription cost, then the value of the spell book would 125% of the inscription cost of the spells therein. In any case, I'm bored with trying to figure out obscure rules.
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Defensive Primer:
0 level spells = 5 gp to inscribe and 2.5 gp to copy from another wizard
1 level spells = 10 gp to inscribe and 5 gp to copy from another wizard
18 x 7.5 = 135
7 x 15 = 105
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240 gp inscription + copy cost
120 gp value of spellbook (1/2 cost)
40 gp lock
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160 gp price in Ultimate Magic
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The prices in UM are the prices for the spells written in it. They do not include the cost of the book itself or the locks. They also tend to assume the 0-level spells that didn't end up in the book, which adds further strangeness.
It was a bit of an oversight on my part. For the most part, the prices are good enough for treasure, but it is something we will end up fixing in the second printing of the books.
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Not spellcasting services but the line on p219: "This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more."So it doesn't have anything to do with caster level, just the level of the spell. And if this is the correct rule, a spell book's value would be 150% of the inscription cost per spell.
Oh I see what you are saying, but where are you getting the 150% from?..
"Purchasing" the spell would be 1/2 the price of inscribing so for a level 1 that would be 5 gp.
Inscribing the spell would be 10 gp.
so the cost of purchasing and inscribing would be 15 gp
The value of the book would be 1/2 15 gp according to page 220, not the above added together, so that would end up being less money then the values given in UM.
Captured spellbooks can be sold for an amount equal to half
the cost of purchasing and inscribing the spells within.
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The prices in UM are the prices for the spells written in it. They do not include the cost of the book itself or the locks. They also tend to assume the 0-level spells that didn't end up in the book, which adds further strangeness.
It was a bit of an oversight on my part. For the most part, the prices are good enough for treasure, but it is something we will end up fixing in the second printing of the books.
ARGH!! Stephen, you just made me lose a bet!!! ;)
My question is, what are you basing for the prices of the spells themselves?
Edit: Thanks by the way!
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Defensive Primer:
0 level spells = 5 gp to inscribe and 2.5 gp to copy from another wizard
1 level spells = 10 gp to inscribe and 5 gp to copy from another wizard18 x 7.5 = 135
7 x 15 = 105
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240 gp inscription + copy cost120 gp value of spellbook (1/2 cost)
40 gp lock
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160 gp price in Ultimate Magic
there we go, that is math that adds up!..
in the end though the books a worth a lot less then we originally thought.
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The prices in UM are the prices for the spells written in it. They do not include the cost of the book itself or the locks. They also tend to assume the 0-level spells that didn't end up in the book, which adds further strangeness.
It was a bit of an oversight on my part. For the most part, the prices are good enough for treasure, but it is something we will end up fixing in the second printing of the books.
ARGH!! Stephen, you just made me lose a bet!!! ;)
My question is, what are you basing for the prices of the spells themselves?
Sorry about that. I am using the writing costs on page 219, sans cantrips in opposition schools. A character can sell the book for half that value.
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Sorry about that. I am using the writing costs on page 219, sans cantrips in opposition schools. A character can sell the book for half that value.
Ok, so the Value of spell books is just the writing costs of the spells, you don't take into the price the purchasing of the spell either through copying from another spellcaster or scrolls.
Edit: By the way, if the above statement is true I did not lose the bet..;)
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Defensive Primer:
0 level spells = 5 gp to inscribe and 2.5 gp to copy from another wizard
1 level spells = 10 gp to inscribe and 5 gp to copy from another wizard18 x 7.5 = 135
7 x 15 = 105
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240 gp inscription + copy cost120 gp value of spellbook (1/2 cost)
40 gp lock
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160 gp price in Ultimate Magic
there we go, that is math that adds up!..
in the end though the books a worth a lot less then we originally thought.
That's what I've been trying to tell people for YEARS, but everyone kept on insisting on using scroll prices for some unfathomable reason.
Scrolls often have price bloat from high caster level or expensive material components. Why pay for that if you are only buying the knowledge of the spell itself? Some people just don't seem to get it (or just don't care to follow the obvious intent of the rules for some similarly unexplainable reason).
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Sorry about that. I am using the writing costs on page 219, sans cantrips in opposition schools. A character can sell the book for half that value.
Since this is different then RAW, I FAQed it, but it is more of a note that it should be changed in the next printing of the Core book then adding it to the FAQ.
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Defensive Primer:
0 level spells = 5 gp to inscribe and 2.5 gp to copy from another wizard
1 level spells = 10 gp to inscribe and 5 gp to copy from another wizard18 x 7.5 = 135
7 x 15 = 105
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240 gp inscription + copy cost120 gp value of spellbook (1/2 cost)
40 gp lock
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160 gp price in Ultimate Magic
Sorry for the thread necromancy, but do all the books in UM follow that same formula? Perhaps I'm doing it wrong, but that one book is the only one that seems to add up to it's written value..